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    Lightleak or vignetting or sunshine

    As I said in an earlier thread I tested an ICA 9x12 camera today. I had no film so I cut some Ilford MV Glossy paper to fit and took this image at 1 sec f 12,5. I used my DSLR as a lightmeter and it said 1/40 sec f13 on ISO 200.

    I am surprised that there is any picture at all. My question is about the top of the tree that is much darker than the rest. I do not have much experience with large format or paper negatives so please bear with me.

    Is it a light leak? Don't think so since the sky is not darker.

    Is it vignetting? I did raise the front quite a bit to get the tree in the picture. If it is vignetting should not the sky also be darker?

    Is it just the sun shining on the top of the tree? If so then the contrast of a paper negative is really something.

    This is interesting. I need to get me some Foma 9x12 sheets.

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    Not to be an old cranky pants, but if you're testing the camera start with a straight shot, don't introduce other variables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Koehrer View Post
    Not to be an old cranky pants, but if you're testing the camera start with a straight shot, don't introduce other variables.
    There were no variables here. I did not have any film so I used paper.

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    Into the light old uncoated lens, perhaps you ask too much.

    It's an OK image but don't read to much from it, I have & do shoot with lenses of that vintage some a lot older, some slightly newer but they behave differently and you have to l,earn just how an individual lens performs.

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    Might be a light leak from the felt light trap. I notice the top of the tree is unaffected, and this would be the furthest away from the light trap.

    Do you have a small flashlight that holds only one AA or AAA battery? If so, put it inside the camera body, put in a plate holder, and sort of "roll" the camera until you think the lit flashlight is near the felt light trap at the top of the camera, pull out the dark slide and turn out the lights. You'll probably see light leaking through the light trap... This is a common problem with these great old cameras, but the felt strip on the camera body and plate holder can be replaced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leighmarrin View Post
    Might be a light leak from the felt light trap. I notice the top of the tree is unaffected, and this would be the furthest away from the light trap.

    Do you have a small flashlight that holds only one AA or AAA battery? If so, put it inside the camera body, put in a plate holder, and sort of "roll" the camera until you think the lit flashlight is near the felt light trap at the top of the camera, pull out the dark slide and turn out the lights. You'll probably see light leaking through the light trap... This is a common problem with these great old cameras, but the felt strip on the camera body and plate holder can be replaced.

    --Leigh in Santa Barbara, Calif.
    I did a test with one paper for 45 min inside the camera with the darkslide removed. That paper was white when I developed it.
    But was an other holder. I will try your suggestion. Sounds like an easy way to test it.

    And I know this is an old uncoated lens that will newer be perfect. I am just fascinated that you can do so many things with cheap, old cameras.
    And I will try to change the felt, purchase some proper film and continue to play with it.

    This is fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shimoda View Post

    Is it vignetting? I did raise the front quite a bit to get the tree in the picture. If it is vignetting should not the sky also be darker?
    Front rise IS a variable and when you raise the front it could give you an uneven exposure across the negative.
    Try it without the rise.
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    Shimoda,

    This looks like a bad case of flare to me. An uncoated lens (without lens hood) in that bright environment, shooting into the bright sky with (probably) lots of reflective snow, etc. just out of the picture is a good recipe for what you got. This would be compounded by the long exposure time needed for the paper you used instead of film.

    It is definitely not vignetting, which would show as an unexposed arc, or portion thereof, at the top of the frame. The corners would be affected first, which is not the case with your shot. It could be caused by light falloff, but that would be more of a factor with a very short focal-length lens, which you don't seem to be using.

    Try some other shots with a less-reflective subject, use a lens hood and bite the bullet and buy some film :-)

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    I would agree, Flare. The darkest parts are washed out.
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    isnt the top of the tree just plain old over exposed (black on paper is excess light?) and the snow in the foreground is plain old under exposed (no detail = no light?) ???

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