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    Graphic 23 120 Back

    Can someone define once and for all what the Graphic 23 120 back for Graflex cameras really is?

    I've seen it listed for 4x5 cameras, but looking at the pictures it's noticeably smaller than the Riteway 4x5 film holder. Is there a 2x3 version of the Graphic 23?

    I've seen it listed as making 6x6 frames on 120 and also 6x9 frames. Are there different masks for the 23?

    Thanks in advance

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    yes there indeed is a "baby" Graplex... 2x3. uses sheet film (if you can find it) but mainly those 120 RH8/RH6/RH12 (RH=rollholder, followed by the number of exposures on 120)... or 220 rollholder

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    there is a ton of info on graflex.org as well

    http://graflex.org/speed-graphic/acc...#RollFilmBacks

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    I saw the graflex.org info but the thing that was confusing was that the different sizes all had the same serial number. This just makes buying off *bay that much more confusing. Somtimes you see 2x3 holders packaged with a 4x5 camera. In the case of the Graphic 23 is there a way to tell
    from the outside if it is 4x5 and 6x9?

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    The Graflex 23 holders for 4x5 have a large flange bigger than the 120 holder itself. The ones for 2 1/4 x 3 1/4 have no large flange and are the same size as the holder. The Graflex 23 holder I have makes negatives that are 2 1/4 x 2 3/4 or 6x8 cm. Most have a knob to wind the film whereas the 6x7 or 6x9 holders have a lever wind which is much faster. There are other variations as well. I am going to use an old 4x5 sheet film holder and adapt the 120 back onto it. Should be a fun project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidave View Post
    Can someone define once and for all what the Graphic 23 120 back for Graflex cameras really is?

    I've seen it listed for 4x5 cameras, but looking at the pictures it's noticeably smaller than the Riteway 4x5 film holder. Is there a 2x3 version of the Graphic 23?

    I've seen it listed as making 6x6 frames on 120 and also 6x9 frames. Are there different masks for the 23?

    Thanks in advance
    The holder itself is always the same. The adapter plate that actually goes onto the camera in place of a film holder varies in size, however. There are 2x3, 3x4, and 4x5 versions. There are probably 5x7 versions as well, as there were 5x7 graphics and Linhofs, but I have never seen one myself. You can easily tell the size just by sight, or you can ask for measurements from an Internet seller if you are not sure.
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    You can tell what camera it fits by size, but you need to see the front or ask the seller to determine the negative size.
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    The easy way to determine image size with these is to know the number of frames on the counter.
    8 frames = 6x9
    10 = 6x7
    12 - 6x6
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    you could also ask the seller to put
    the roll film adapter against a 4x5
    film holder to determine it it is for that size
    camera, as others have said, the 3x4, and 2x3
    cameras' adapters are not as common as the 4x5 ones
    and the plate to hold it against the back of the camera
    are very small ( barely the size of the roll holder ) ...

    as you could see in the graflex.org chart
    the 23 negative size varied a little bit but for the most part they were "around" 6x9 ...

    good luck !
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    Quote Originally Posted by williamtheis View Post
    uses sheet film (if you can find it)
    Freestyle sells sheet film this size. I, too, have one of these Crown Graphics (restored by Fred Lustig in Reno, NV) and I shoot both sheet film and 120 roll film with it. It's a great travel camera.

    Rich

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