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    Is the film brand you are using a little smaller that normal? The film just slides in, there isn't enough room to really cause these symptoms unless it is outside the rail. Have you tried loading a developed negative with the border problems in the holders, and check on how much wiggle room there is? Without putting the dark slide in, jiggle the holder and observe the film movement.

    Should not be much. If the image is coming off the edge, then it cannot be under the guide.
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    Fotch, the film can slide under the end flaps while still being within the rails on the sides, IME.
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    2F/2F, I am not near one of my holders so may be wrong, I thought than when you snap the end flap closed, it sealed it off so there would be little room to move, no? Maybe not. Probably just luck and not moving the stuff around enough to cause this.
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    I don't think it seals off or at least not well enough. I'm using fomapan 100 4x5 film but i don't find it's vastly different to HP5+ for example which is the only other film I use.

    I do think it is just unfortunate jiggles causing it. New, weird looking habit to get used to
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    Are you saying don't keep the holders upright so the removable slides are on top?
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    Got a couple of sloppy holders but also noticed that some film is cut smaller or larger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotch View Post
    2F/2F, I am not near one of my holders so may be wrong, I thought than when you snap the end flap closed, it sealed it off so there would be little room to move, no? Maybe not. Probably just luck and not moving the stuff around enough to cause this.
    That it what they are supposed to do, but some holders wear out so that the end flaps don't seat as tightly as they used to. I have had the problem mostly with older wooden holders. I can't bring myself to throw them out just yet, as they are still light tight, and the problem is easily avoided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirius Glass View Post
    I am going to start doing that RIGHT NOW.

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    The one problem is when you take a vertically-oriented picture.

    I make sure I press the end flap into the body of the film holder until the back is putting pressure there when using suspect holders. You can tell the suspect holders because they are the ones with which there is some play in the end flaps.
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    OK, worn out makes sense. I use newer style holders. Also, the original vulcanize Graflex camera cases transport the holders with the slide side up. Even the older Graflex SLR cases did this, as does my Calumet case. I wonder if there is a way to eliminate the gap, perhaps a piece of tape under the hinge part?
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    Just a thought. Could it be the newer films are thinner. The older films, a bit thicker, did not slip under? I have not used my 4x5 for a while and the only film I have is some Kodak Tri-X and some Agfa Pan.

    In any case, good to know about this.
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