Steve, The tribe has spoken...
Brian, I don't think he cares.
Technological society has succeeded in multiplying the opportunities for pleasure, but it has great difficulty in generating joy. Pope Paul VI
So, I think the "greats" were true to their visions, once their visions no longer sucked. Ralph Barker 12/2004
Not all of us...
Originally Posted by bmac
First of all I didn't find any Processing tubes, nor a Bananza at your ebay store...
Second of all...
I whole heartedly agree with Aggie. An example of how to do this properly can be seen by Bjork.
I don't give a rats @ss about Steve's issues with some members here (although Jorge is not on my ignore list), but I do care about him using bandwidth we and sean are paying for so that he can build his forum.
I don't care about the fights Steve has had on different newsgroups or other forums. The way he abuses free media to promote his personal business is very effective anti-propaganda. And if he wants to continue distroying his personal reputation this way, that's his choice.
In the meantime I welcome interesting input from anywhere. So I had a look. Unfortunately, unlike Steve stated, I haven't discovered an interesting debate between the few present. So, I guess I'll stick to apug.
So who wants to try posting to his forum about another web site or debate? Any odds on how long it would be before the blacklist would be encated? I have a feeling that there will be precious little input at VC's forum from the apug community, but I might be wrong.
Lets see, "There's a great thread going about Steve's self promotion on APUG...."
Sometimes it makes me humble, when I think how great I am.
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Originally Posted by noseoil
In fact it is so bad that Steve's new forum has the exact same look and functionality as this one.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
We are using a free shareware template. Perhaps it is the same one used by APUG.
Now, for the free advertising complaint. Twice in the last year CameraArts has given a plug for APUG. I have also recommended APUG in other forums.
uh huh, yep, and that barely covered for you not paying for 6 months of a banner when APUG started.
Originally Posted by steve simmons
I have yet to see you recommend APUG anywhere, and you know I check on that.
Besides, what is your point? that because you gave two plugs in your rag you are now entitled to endlessly advertise here? I dont thinks so, and from the looks of it a lot of people seem to agree with me on this one.
#1 There is no such thing as "Free Shareware"
Originally Posted by steve simmons
#2 Are you serious? Do you tell the telephone company you aren't going to pay your bill because you mentioned them in a forum? How about the electric company? How about the people that print your magazines?
I find it really offensive that you continually spam this community. If it is'nt obvious to you by now that the majority of the membership of this site is fed up with you posting spam on our boards, then there is seriously no hope for you.
How many people have stepped up and supported you on this thread? Get a clue.
Steve, I like the work you do with the two magazines, and I know this is unsolicited advice, but you would attract less ill will on the internet, if you wouldn't start a new item every time you want to announce something about _View Camera_ magazine.
Imagine how people would react if Bob Salomon would open a new item in four different forums every time Linhof, Rodenstock, Gepe, Kaiser, Giottos, etc. had a new product. People would get really annoyed, and he would be banned. Sure he bugs people sometimes, but he provides information about the products he represents when it's asked for, he starts very few new items himself, and despite the fact that his occasional stubborness can rub some people the wrong way, he attracts good will.
J&C is a registered user of this forum, and they only open new items to announce product recalls, service delays, and such. Otherwise, they just respond to questions about their films. David Carper from Ilford does the same, and there's a fellow active on photo.net from Kinesis belt systems, who is absolutely scrupulous about not being overly aggressive in pushing his products. Henry Posner, service manager from B&H, is another excellent commercial internet citizen who watches forums and answers questions about B&H service and things he personally knows about (lighting and Bronica cameras mostly), but he doesn't open new items to tell people what the latest deals are at B&H.
Look at Ailsa McWhinnie. We know she's editor of _B&W Photography_ (UK), but few of her posts are about the magazine, and she's attracted readers just by posting interesting things about photography and even participating in the postcard exchange. Many APUG participants have bought Les McLean's book, because he's a helpful, generous, friendly and interesting guy--not because he's flacking his book at every turn.
Most people here and on other forums are sympathetic to _View Camera_ and _Camera Arts_ and are interested in what you're up to, but aggressive promotion in internet forums is a turn-off, and whether you realize it or not, what you're doing looks like aggressive promotion. If there were one item called, "What's new at _View Camera_ Magazine," and you posted once a month about the VC conference, forums, new features, in the same item, I don't think people would object. By opening a new item for every little thing (and the hot "debate" about "lenses" was a *very* little thing--which I can say because I posted in that thread), you make readers think that every post you make has some hidden commercial motive.
Put out a good magazine, be generous with your knowledge by participating in the forums, and subscribers will follow.