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    Goerz-Dagor 1:9 f-10cm Carl Zeiss Jena

    Has anyone any experience of this lens.
    Is it any good?

    Will it cover 4x5 - I want to use it on my Wista 45DX?

    any info about the lens would be great.

    Thanks

    -Tony
    regards,

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    The VM says it covers 100 degrees, so it should cover 4x5 with room to spare.

    Cult lens, so usually costly, said to be very good.

    Go shoot with it and be happy.

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    Thanks Dan - I was given it by a elderly photographer who I've become friendly with. Can't wait to try it now.

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    My 100mm 6.8 dagor covers 4x5 with lots of room for movement, as in I can set front rise as far as it will go at this focal length on my Wista 4x5 and not run out of coverage. Your f9 should have at least as much coverage. All of the information I have seen on the CZJ 10cm f9 says it's not coated, not sure if that applies to yours. My 100 6.8 is not coated but that has been no problem with black and white film. Would like to hear how this lens is working for you. I like my 100 6.8 better than my 90 angulon in situations when I need more movement, my 90 angulon is coated. Haven't tried my 100 6.8 on my 5x7 yet, possible that it would at least hit the corners of 5x7. Good luck with your lens.
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    Also see the 1933 Zeiss catalog here:
    http://www.cameraeccentric.com/html/info/zeiss_3.html
    In particular see pages 14, 15 and 28.The table on page 28 indicates the 10 cm f/9 Dagor covers an image circle of 8 3/4 inches "at small stops". Also the catalog recommends stopping down to at least f/18 after focusing. One buying guide I have shows Zeiss still offering Dagors as late as 1939-1940. I've never heard or seen any evidence that Zeiss (in either East or West Germany) resumed production of Dagors (or Protars) after World War II so I wouldn't expect any Zeiss made Dagors to be coated, unless it was done after market.
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    Last edited by David Lindquist; 10-17-2010 at 12:23 PM. Click to view previous post history. Reason: spelling error

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    Thanks for all the useful info. I'm fairly new to LF so haven't used the lens to any great extent yet. What little I have has shown me how it can be difficult composing at f9 on the GG.
    Thanks again.

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    Should be an interesting lens. f9 shouldn't be too bad with the Wista, assuming you have the combo screen, a plastic screen/fresnel with a cover sheet, I think that was standard and is an excellent bright screen. It's the best screen I have on a 5x4 camera by a long way.

    Zeiss (West Germany) never made WA Dagors like yours after WWII, they had much newer Biogon designs, and they never sold lenses independently only for Zeiss Ikon cameras or to other manufacturers, CZJ (in the East) had enough problems getting specialist optical glass after the war and had quality issues and Rollei stopped using them, few of their LF lenses left the Eastern Block, they to had their own wide angle desigh the Germinar W

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    Ian, are you sure that the Germinar W was the CZJ (DDR) anti-Biogon? I always thought that for photogrammetric and aerial cameras their Lamegon was the anti-Biogon and that the Germinar W was more of an anti-Gerogon or -G-Claron.

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    Dan, I wasn't implying the Germinar W was the Biogon equivalent rather that it's the more common East German wide angle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Lindquist View Post
    Also see the 1933 Zeiss catalog here:
    [url] I've never heard or seen any evidence that Zeiss (in either East or West Germany) resumed production of Dagors (or Protars) after World War II so I wouldn't expect any Zeiss made Dagors to be coated, unless it was done after market.
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    Actually I'm wrong. After posting this I recalled Arne Croell's excellent two part report on large format lenses from VEB Carl Zeiss Jena and Docter Optic in the July/August and September/October 2003 issues of View Camera magazine. In part 1 in the July/August issue his Table 6 lists "VEB Carl Zeiss Jena specialty lenses". Included here are a 125 mm f/9 Dagor and a 180 mm f/6,8 Dagor, barrel mounted only. Under remarks for the 125mm f/9 is the comment: "26 produced (some for planetarium use)" and for the 180 mm F/6.8: "88 produced in 'special mount', unknown use." It doesn't look like they made it into the general market place.
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