Originally Posted by Rob Skeoch
Let me be the first to welcome you to the pano world. I use to shoot 8x10. But now I am exclusively 4x10 and 8x20. I prefer the pano format. I use Ilford HP5+ and order a year's supply at a time. If needed, 8x10 film is cut and I have a Kalt slide notcher which I use to mark the unnotched piece of film. Depending upon how far I have to go to get the shot determines the camera for me. I can carry the 8x20 complete, ready to shoot with two film holders only about 75 yards from the vehicle. Past that, I get the backpack out. I have two 4x10 cameras. . .one horizontal (4x10 Canham) and one vertical. My husband built the vertical camera for me. http://www.jbhphoto.com/vcam/vcams.htm It is a different mindset shooting this format. I carry a Zone VI viewing filter that is modified specifically for 4x10. Each 4x10 has its own backpack and set of lenses. I'll provide you with a summary of what I use. Schneider 120mm Super Angulon, 6 1/2" WA Dagor, 210 Apo Symmar, 240 G Claron, 16 1/2" Artar, 19" Artar, 305 G Claron and a 24" Artar. Some of these lenses may not work on the camera that you choose due to the amount of bellows draw. I have a lot of duplicate length lenses, but again, that's because I have two complete backpack systems. For me, there's not really a lens that is used the most. I shoot in all types of locations and that's what determine the lens. I crop on the ground glass, not in the darkroom.
rob, so the shenhao 4x10 is the same price as their 8x10?!?
I've been using a home built 4x10 back on a Zone Vi 4x5 body. I've been using a rotary paper cutter with usable results. I purchased some Ebay 4x10 carriers from HK, but found that the outside dimensions were about a 1/16th inch out of square. These were just 8x10 holders chopped down.
Zone VI 4x10 build thread
My goal is to step up to 7x17, but that looks like a 2011 diy project.
Dad, is the lens cap suppose to be on?.
Yes David, the two cameras are the same price.
The 4x10 is what I would call a classic design. Focus knobs on both sides and the camera folds down.
The 8x10 is a more modern designed.... copied from the Richard's cameras with one focus knob in the very back.
ShenHao cameras in the classic design are more expensive models than the newer design. However they only offer the 4x10 in this more expensive design.... and no longer make the 8x10 in this style.
I feel I would enjoy the classic style more.... but that's just because it's what I'm used to and I don't really like change.
One thing to consider is that, even if you prefer the traditional design, Ritter's 8x10 design would be very close to the weight of a 4x10 traditional wood folding camera. The weight of the holders on a per 4x10 image basis is less using 8x10 holders than 4x10 holders (assuming two 4x10 images/8x10 sheet, and the same construction and type of materials of the holders.)
So for less weight you get the ease of vertical 4x10 shots, and an 8x10 camera, too.
Have fun deciding!
At least with LF landscape, a bad day of photography can still be a good day of exercise.
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I enjoy the 4x10 and have used several by different manufacturers. I'm currently using a Chamonix, which I like best because it's small, compact, and lightweight.
The biggest downside of 4x10 is that it's petty small for contact printing. I'm now enlarging 4x10s to about 7x17.
Ilford makes FP4 and HP5 in 5x10 annually. For other films, you'll probably need to plan to cut down 8x10 film. It's not difficult; you just have to organize how you do it very carefully.
I use the 165mm Angulon most frequently, and a 240mm second most frequently.
You might consider getting a 4x10 back for your 8x10 to try it out. Another footnote: The Shen Hao is a nice camera, but it larger and heavier than some 4x10s.
Originally Posted by Rob Skeoch
Kerry Thalmann is the man, if not one of them for varied discussions on 4x10 cameras. From memory, it's a format that he's very fond of, he wrote a succession of articles in VC mag a few/some years ago, not only on suitable cameras for the format but also on lenses and filmholders
hope this helps
I just ordered the ShenHao 4x10 camera with a few holders and also the 5x7 back and a couple holders. I hope to have it working in a couple weeks.
Originally Posted by Eric Mac
that's a great conversion Eric - any possibility of posting some photos that you've taken with it?
I have a shen 4x10 that I like very much, though I am not using it much of late. The special thing about my rig is that I also have a 5x7 and a *5x8* back for it. I was using the latter with 5" aerial panatomic x film, which I have a lot of.
Regarding film, that is easy, I just slice 8x10 in my film changing tent.
4x10 is a very nice format, though honestly I haven't been using it as much as the 5x8. I need to get back to 4x10 but it's a mood that comes and goes!