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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave H.


    To have a Supertrekker II full of gear... you must be hauling a HUGE amount of stuff!
    good luck.
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    Dave, I went back and reread my original post and now understand what you mean. I was sloppy with my description. I should have just said "Super Trekker II with gear." And thanks for the pointer to the LF.info site.

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by James M. Bleifus
    Hi Everyone,

    I'm going to Vegas next month (or really, Lake Mead near Vegas) and will be flying for the first time with my LF gear. Usually I travel very light with only carry-on luggage, so this will be a new experience for me. I'll be carrying a Super-Trekker II full of equipment and a Ries tripod, which I'm expecting to have to check. Does anyone have suggestions about how to avoid having my equipment damaged, or, for that matter, is that even a real concern? Thanks!

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    James
    I made several trips to Spain with ULF equipment prior to 9/11. For many reasons that is not feasible today so if you want to get this kind of equipment to across the pond you should ship it to a friend.

    Since 9/11 I have flown quite a number if times with my 5X7 Nagaoka outfit, which fits in a Tenba backpack. I carry the camera, lenses and a few holders on my back, and all fim and holders in a second smaller handbag that I carry on board. I simply allow the film to run through the baggage inspection screener because to ask for a hand check will likely result in more trouble than it is worth. Fortunately I have never seen any damage to B&W film from this. I got stuck in Houston on a return trip from Oaxaca earlier this year and because of numerous delays and cancellations my film (TMAX-400) wound up going through the screener 9-10 times there alone, but when I developed it there was no sign of damage.

    I carry some equipment, such as the tripod, in checked luggage.

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    Good ideas. I travel with my 4x5 gear all the time, in fact, I just returned from my 5th trip to Australia, shooting LF. I carry all my gear in a LowePro bag, which I wear as a back pack - gear consisting of a Toyo 45AII, 3 LF lenses, a Nikon and two Nikon lenses, as well as two boxes of Fuji Ready Loads. I generally only shoot ReadyLoads, although I shot some Efke PL100 on this last trip. My tripod goes in my checked luggage, wrapped in bubble wrap. I've made trips all over the world using this system and have encounted very little problems - except in Melbourne, Australia (of all places). I would follow Dave's advice if travelling domestically - ship your film via FedEx.
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    Flying with stuff

    James, I am an airline pilot, I have flown for Air Canada for 15 years, and I am a 4x5 enthusiast.

    N E V E R check any baggage or parcel that you would not confidently launch off of the highest part of you house, then have it dragged on a long chain behind a large 4x4 on gravel and potholes, then left out in a pouring rain for hours.

    This is N O T an exaggeration !!

    I have the AW Pro Trekker, and I leave only a few small items in it, compress it, and pack it in checked baggs. Then I have the camera and lenses with me as carry-on. Forget Film. I mean as far as airports go. My advice is just forget the whole business of arguing or believing anything that anyone said could be done ... just Forget Film. It is not safe anywhere you carry it and it is not worth the hassle. Do some research ahead of time and buy film when you get to Vegas. Then have the negs developed before you leave or make arrangements for a darkroom.

    I am sorry to be the bearer of such rotten news, but it is the truth.

    For what it is worth, if any of you are ever traveling around Toronto, and are in a similar predicament, please let me know and I can make my darkroom available if it will help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy
    Then I have the camera and lenses with me as carry-on. Forget Film. I mean as far as airports go. My advice is just forget the whole business of arguing or believing anything that anyone said could be done ... just Forget Film. It is not safe anywhere you carry it and it is not worth the hassle.
    Tim R

    Tim,

    Many people I know have not experienced any problem over the past year or so with film going through the screener. Have the machines used to screen carry-on luggage changed recently in such a way that they present more danger to film than year or two ago?

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    As of 2 years ago there was only one store that sold anything other than 35mm film in Vegas. I doubt it has gotten better. Other option is to have it shipped to your first motel. you willl be better off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy
    James, I am an airline pilot, I have flown for Air Canada for 15 years, and I am a 4x5 enthusiast.

    N E V E R check any baggage or parcel that you would not confidently launch off of the highest part of you house, then have it dragged on a long chain behind a large 4x4 on gravel and potholes, then left out in a pouring rain for hours.

    This is N O T an exaggeration !!

    I have the AW Pro Trekker, and I leave only a few small items in it, compress it, and pack it in checked baggs. Then I have the camera and lenses with me as carry-on. Forget Film. I mean as far as airports go. My advice is just forget the whole business of arguing or believing anything that anyone said could be done ... just Forget Film. It is not safe anywhere you carry it and it is not worth the hassle. Do some research ahead of time and buy film when you get to Vegas. Then have the negs developed before you leave or make arrangements for a darkroom.

    I am sorry to be the bearer of such rotten news, but it is the truth.

    For what it is worth, if any of you are ever traveling around Toronto, and are in a similar predicament, please let me know and I can make my darkroom available if it will help.

    Tim R
    We have flown all over the US and the world with significant quantities of film. When passed through the cary on X-Ray machinery there has never been a problem. At one time when I was traveling to Las Vegas on business often I put a couple of rolls of 400 film in my bag and left it there for several months. After 14 round trips and over 35 runs throughthe machine we could see no damage in the negatives. The carry on machines are very low dose. There is no reason to believe that they will damage B&W film.

    Las Vegas had a hard time for a while after 911 and there were many horror stories that went on about the screening process. The last few times we have flown in and out there have been no problems.

    Just let them scan everything and it will be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandc
    Las Vegas had a hard time for a while after 911 and there were many horror stories that went on about the screening process. The last few times we have flown in and out there have been no problems.

    Just let them scan everything and it will be fine.
    I have several horror stories of the Vegas airport (McCarren) all before 9/11. If it wasn't me, it was someone who was flying with me. One time a bunch of us gave up and rented a car to drive back to Salt lake City.

    Good news is that in a few years there will be an alternative for those going to the national parks. St. George is building a new large scale airport that will take the pressure off the Vegas airport that can't expand further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy
    James, I am an airline pilot, I have flown for Air Canada for 15 years, and I am a 4x5 enthusiast.

    N E V E R check any baggage or parcel that you would not confidently launch off of the highest part of you house, then have it dragged on a long chain behind a large 4x4 on gravel and potholes, then left out in a pouring rain for hours.

    Tim R
    Tim, thanks for the tips. It's obvious I was going to give the baggage handlers too much credit in handling my gear, but you and the other APUGers have helped me out. I'll definitely be carrying on my camera and lenses.

    Film is more problematic. Shipping the film worries me because, if it gets lost, my whole trip goes down the drain. I don't have any real desire to spend more than a few hours in Vegas and that's only to see a Van Gogh and a Monet in one of the hotels. Otherwise it's just not my kind of town. On the other hand, my whole trip is ruined if my film is ruined by the airport x-rays. So I guess the big question for me is whether anyone on APUG has had their film ruined by X-ray in an American airport since 911?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandc
    We have flown all over the US and the world with significant quantities of film. When passed through the cary on X-Ray machinery there has never been a problem. At one time when I was traveling to Las Vegas on business often I put a couple of rolls of 400 film in my bag and left it there for several months. After 14 round trips and over 35 runs throughthe machine we could see no damage in the negatives. The carry on machines are very low dose. There is no reason to believe that they will damage B&W film.

    Just let them scan everything and it will be fine.
    Thanks John.

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