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    Hello Dan;
    The Super Graphic, last production model made would be my choice. Rotating back, bed drop, front standard tilts fore and aft, lateral shift, swings, and rise and fall. Otherwise an older view camera would be a good economic choice, Steven.

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    Steven, the Super Graphic, unlike the Pacemakers, has unlinked inner and outer bed rails. This makes focusing short focal lengths that make infinity on the inner rails very difficult. Win a little, lose a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BradS View Post
    However, for the record, the pacemaker graphics all have tilt. You can tilt the lens board backward easily and forward tilt can be achieved by dropping the bed and tilting backward less than all the way back....but it is a pain in the ass to focus when playing this game. Just remember, with a crown/speed graphic, you don't need no stinking tilt!
    As you said, a PITA. As you didn't say, usable only with a limited range of focal lengths at a limited range of focused distances. In most situations, unusable.

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    so why it is again that one needs swings and tilts for portraits ?

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    Dan wants tilt, let us recommend something that gives him tilt!
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    Thanks all for the vibrant debate and great information.

    The point of the movements while shooting portraits is mess with the plane of focus a bit -- to add more/different out of focus areas in order to focus attention, etc. I'm already a big fan of shooting wide open on my smaller cameras; the idea would be to exaggerate the out of focus effects even more by through the use of movements. Hey, it looks "good" (or at least interesting, at least some of the time) when it's faked in digital. I'd hope to achieve a similar, but more subtle and honest, effect through movements.

    Patrick Messina's stuff here: http://www.patrickmessina.com/port.html is a good example of some of the look I'd like to recreate. If I can do them with a press camera, awesome. If I would really need the movements afforded by a view camera ... then I'm glad I'm figuring that out now!

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    you could always use your press camera, and instead of using a normal
    lens in a lensboard, get a lensbaby, and replace their lens with one you know
    covers your 4x5 format ... and just do all your movements with the lens, rather than
    the front standard ... the photographs you linked to look like they could be recreated
    that way ... if you don't want to buy a field camera ( or rail camera ) which can give you
    more movements than barely any swing/tilt/shift from a press camera ...
    putting a lens in foamcore instead of a rigid lensboard also will give you the opportunity to
    mess around with your plane of focus as well.

    good luck !
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    Dan, I have a variety of old view and press cameras, and would chose a view camera over a press camera to duplicate Patrick Messina's style. Tilts and swings are usually easier made with the view camera. The Pacemaker series Graphics can be modified to have front swings, but this limits other functions. Contrary to what is implied in the link in your first post, the Anniversary Speed Graphic did not have front tilt. The front standard from a Pacemaker Graphic can be installed on an Anniversary to give some tilt, but that is not a completely satisfactory solution due to the greater angle of the dropped front on the Anniversary. The front standard of the Pacemaker can be altered by drilling a new hole for the tilt clamping screw to permit both front and back tilt. The Speed Graphic has been the subject of countless such modifications to give it more of the functions of a view camera, but it is still just a mangled press camera.

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    Hello Dan Fromm;
    I realize the short comings on the Super. In my case never have to use a wide angle, the 127mm Ektar has met my needs. With the 127mm at infinity there is 1 1/8" plus left on the track. Confident that an 90mm WF Optar could be mounted without a recessed board and work great. Dan pointed out that he wanted a camera for portrait work. So my guess is he will be using 180mm to 210mm lens and the lateral shift and swing of the front standard would keep the eyes in focus in shooting the lens wide open. The rotating back allows for vertical position without mounting the camera on its side. The resale value really helps also. Best regards, Steven.

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    I have a Super Graphic and a Toyo 45AX. Both have a 15-degree tilt, and can be tilted further by dropping the bed. Fact is, the Toyo folds up by laying the front standard on the bed. There are also many monorail cameras made for outdoor use, like the Orbit, which has a handle on the top.

    Since you are shooting medium format now, try this for an exercise: put a long lens on your camera, open it up wide, and then just look at something at portrait distance. Point the camera down, and just keep one section in focus in the upper portion of the viewfinder. Now, how far down did you move the camera to get the image like you wanted it? 15 degrees is actually a lot.

    Patrick Messina uses a view camera, but I didn't see an article about what model. It really doesn't matter, though. You need something with decent front movements. Is there a store near you where you can try something out? Or how about getting together with a forum member?

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