Help! Advice! And so forth.

[Zygomorph]

Hey all! Thanks in advance for what I am sure will be wonderful, mind-bendingly good advice.

OK, so I'm pretty sure I'm ready to step up to 4x5 after having done 6x6 for a year. Unfortunately, even though I was lucky to have Joel Sternfeld as a prof in school, he wasn't (and probably still isn't) super-technical and didn't give a lot of advice on equipment... it was all about color and content.

So I'm looking to do pretty basic landscape stuff like that: basic control over depth of field and mild perspective control (which I've been doing in PhotoShop from scans so far... shhh!) Stuff like this is pretty typical of what I'm going for: http://tumblr.com/Zag7Dy7phtep Or this: http://tumblr.com/Zag7Dy8HDG1- Or this: http://tumblr.com/Zag7DyBP4oDs

I also have visions of doing my own version of the photographic "Great American Novel" at some point, traveling the country, etc.

Anyway, I'm pretty much chomping at the bit and there's a guy selling some Technika IV's for 800 each, including 150mm Schneider Kreuznach lenses.

1) Is this an awesome price for some awesome equipment I should jump on now?
2) Or can I save some money and get something even simpler like a Graphic and be just as happy given what I want to accomplish?
3) Should I keeeeeeep saving and get a newer, light(er) folder?
4) Or a compact-ish monorail for street and travel?

Thanks!

John

[JBrunner]

Given your stated intentions the lack of movements on a Graphic will likely soon frustrate you. The Technika is a great camera, and will probably do what you need, but is still somewhat limited or inconvenient in some ways regarding movements. A wooden field camera like a Tachihara will be lighter and have a greater range and ease of movements, more than you will probably ever use. That's my mind-bendingly good advice. Other, possibly contradicting advice to follow.

[Mark_S]

First of all, I would encourage you to dive into large format, but be warned, I started in 35mm, and moved to medium format then got hooked on large format. The move from 35mm to 6x6 was a very minor move, I still did almost everything the same. With large format, you change the way you think about each image, and it is very different from small format photography. LF has definitely changed the way that I do MF and 35mm as well.

That said, in terms of camera, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Think more about a lens. The 150mm is a good focal length for 4x5 landscape photography - it gives you a decent amount of movement, and a natural viewing angle. What Jason says about the Tachihara is true (I love them), but I think that the Technika IV would work well to get you started. Another big consideration is darkroom. If you are going to get serious about LF, you will need to make sure that you have a darkroom that can handle 4x5 - processing film, printing etc. The price for the Technika sounds reasonable, but the camera and lens is only the down payment. Other cameras that I would look at would include the Tachihara, as well as the Chamonix which is a very well built chinese LF camera, and the other wooden field cameras...

FWIW, I do mostly 4x5 landscape photography. My primary camera is a Walker Titan field camera (similar movements to the Tachihara, but bigger and heavier, made of plastic rather than wood), I have Schneider lenses: 75mm, 90mm and 150mm - I use the 150 the most. In the darkroom I have a Beseler 45MX, and do my film processing with a Jobo CPP.

[Zygomorph]

As for the darkroom, mine is digital. Sorry! However, if I feel that I need to wet print, there are rooms to rent in NYC... Where I get my film developed actually.

Basically, I'm just trying to get a sense of how much movement is enough for me. I'm pretty much a normal to slightly wide kind of guy. Sternfeld, Shore, Wall, Struth, the Beschers... This is my tradition. I feel like i never do vertical compositions anymore (notwithstanding the fact that My main camera is the mamiya 6 with the 80mm), so that's why I feel like a Graphic or Technika might actually be enough for the next year at least.

I'm sure if I got a cam with lots of movements I'd end up using them ALL eventually, but i feel like that's that's not so important right now.

[paul_c5x4]

If you're planning on doing landscape, then you'll probably end up hiking places. In which case, the weight of a metal folder like Linhof will become an issue. I don't think the lack of movements on a Technika is a real issue - For what it's worth, I use a little bit of rise & shift on the front stand and on rare occasions, some front tilt.

I'm getting to like my Wista Field - Unable to get a 300mm lens to focus real close, and the movements are not as great as some other cameras, but it is light.

[Neanderman]

For 4x5 landscapes, I found I liked a 135mm lens. It's a little wider than a 150mm, but not super wide.

I started out with an old Graphic -- the camera has some rise, some lateral shift and some tilt (if you reverse the front standard.) If you have a tight budget, it is plenty to get you started and they are very rugged. If budget isn't an issue, I'd second the idea of getting a wooden field camera.

Ed

[tony lockerbie]

I use a Tech V, and it is a bit heavy for field work I must admit, although it does have plenty of movements for the stuff that I shoot. I rarely use more than a little front tilt or rise, for which the Technika has plenty. If I had my drothers I would probably go for a wood field like the Tachihara, or if money was no object maybe an Ebony.

[Brian C. Miller]

I started with MF. I bought a Super Graphic, then later I bought a Toyo 45AX. I still have the Super Graphic, and it's my primary field camera. Why? I can pack it up easily on my folding bicycle.

You want: "basic control over depth of field and mild perspective control," so that really covers what a basic field camera will do. The 135mm Optar can give some really good sharpness, but it doesn't cover that well. A slightly better lens will give you adequate coverage when the movements are at their maximum.

While the back on my Graflex doesn't move independently, I use the tripod head for perspective control, and then adjust the front. Sure, it takes more fiddling, but it can be done.

If you find a camera at the price point you like, buy it. The camera should fit your shooting style. If you are going to use the camera hand-held, then get something with a built-in rangefinder. There are many models to choose from, and most are OK on the basic movements. If it will always be on a tripod, then just make a choice, go forth, photograph and be happy with it.

[PDH]

I find that my Crown with a Kodak Extar135 povides enough movement for landscapes, some other 127 and 135s that came with Speeds and Crowns do not cover large movements even in a Crown. I also have a 210, 150 and 101, but these will not couple with the rangfinder. I carry a Crown with a monpod and use the rangfinder when hiking, sometimes hand held. The other press option is a Bushman or Superspeed which have more movement than a Speed or Crown.

[Zygomorph]

Thanks for all the helpful advice! I am thinking that I won't need super-duper movements, so I have actually contacted someone in the classifieds here about a Super Speed Graphic, which seems really dope! It also comes with a 6x6 rollfilm back, which seems comforting somehow...

PDH: Thanks for the real-world examples of how you use it, very useful. I think I will probably experiment with hand-holding, though my primary interest is with the whole "composing on the glass" slow-mo-style.

Brian C. Miller: What would your recommendations be for a step up from the 135mm Optar? Same as PDH's recs? Something that turns up on E-bay regularly with lensboard in tow would be good...

And (maybe) finally, what would a good tripod be for hiking about New York City with one of these cameras? (I did mention I mostly do uuuurban landscape, right? Right now I've got some kind of Bogen that's probably way too heavy to carry around when I go out stalking.