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    Are labs now scanning and digitally printing?

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    Are labs now scanning and digitally printing?

    Yes they are, and I can look back and confidently say it's been this way since 2002 when a noticeable drop off of traditional (colour) printing occurred. D printing is not a patch at all on the now-defunct and much lamented Ilfochrome and probably never will be, but the way we are going is the only way we have. Wise to skill-up on hybridising work to understand what is involved and assist the labs in getting the very best out of the image — and this is definitely not a job for Walmart or any other high street shop, only a pro lab. Input is either home-scan or drum scan (often at horrendous cost, proportional to Mb and print size). Output is on a bewildering array of papers from silk fibre to traditional very heavy way art media or film and the results are very, very good indeed. You think I'm easy to please? Na-da!! To dateI'm very happy with what I'm doing but I do miss Ilfochrome, but have saved a fortune in prints on it.
    I'm really sad I can't even have one of my Kodachrome images optically printed on ilfochrome type paper, it's such a shame, I just want one image printed that way, it would be great to have both as a legacy to the film and my K64 project but also as a comparative tool so I could confidently compare scans and prints to find the closest I can to what would be possible. If anyone has any paper and would do this for me, I would mail you my favorite slide (the one no one has commented on in my gallery, the tree one from the Grand Canyon) and pay of course for the privilege.

    Perhaps just one print...


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    The USA is a big place, I'm sure there is a lab somewhere in it that does short-run machine Ilfochrome prints from their last remaining stock. But I would caution: I would personally angle for masked Ilfochrome prints, not machine prints: these give the very best result, done by hand, of selectively contrast masking the image prior to matching with one of the two contrast grades of Ilfochrome media. Not all images require masking; an assessment is done by a very skilled printer.

    Ilfochrome is a manual media technique. Scanning, colourimetrics, profiling, grading and RIP printing is a digital process. Each uses a very different skill set, one honed through years and years of darkroom practice and procedure; the other learnt through technical/further education, university, job experience and/or professional qualification (more commonly the latter). Comparing scans to Ilfochrome prints is like comparing an apple to a banana (at least in taste!). Ilfochrome is in a league of its own, without any real comparision. The fact we are making great strides in alternative processes and quality media means we should not be holding out for a return of Ilfochrome; just move along to other techniques.

    Kodachrome is a considerably flat, less vivid media to start with when Ilfochrome's selling point is to bring out the vibrancy and punch of modern emulsions e.g. Velvia 50, 100, 100F (even early Ektachrome emulsions make an impact). Well-exposed and executed images on these emulsions will leave a lasting impact on each and every viewer who stands before a spot-illuminated Ilfochrome. Of Kodachrome, I have only seen four very large (3m across) Ilfochrome prints on display from PKL-200 in 20 years or so (with such visible and distracting grain that it was entirely forgettable). Think of the alternatives available today with modern, fine-grained emulsions and work towards skilling up in processes and just moving on. We cannot sit and tug and cry at the forelocks of a bygone era.
    I'm sure that tree in the Grand Canyon slide you mention is worthy of positive commentary. After all, the simplest compositions are often the most successful!
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    Are labs now scanning and digitally printing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Poisson Du Jour View Post
    The USA is a big place, I'm sure there is a lab somewhere in it that does short-run machine Ilfochrome prints from their last remaining stock. But I would caution: I would personally angle for masked Ilfochrome prints, not machine prints: these give the very best result, done by hand, of selectively contrast masking the image prior to matching with one of the two contrast grades of Ilfochrome media. Not all images require masking; an assessment is done by a very skilled printer.

    Ilfochrome is a manual media technique. Scanning, colourimetrics, profiling, grading and RIP printing is a digital process. Each uses a very different skill set, one honed through years and years of darkroom practice and procedure; the other learnt through technical/further education, university, job experience and/or professional qualification (more commonly the latter). Comparing scans to Ilfochrome prints is like comparing an apple to a banana (at least in taste!). Ilfochrome is in a league of its own, without any real comparision. The fact we are making great strides in alternative processes and quality media means we should not be holding out for a return of Ilfochrome; just move along to other techniques.

    Kodachrome is a considerably flat, less vivid media to start with when Ilfochrome's selling point is to bring out the vibrancy and punch of modern emulsions e.g. Velvia 50, 100, 100F (even early Ektachrome emulsions make an impact). Well-exposed and executed images on these emulsions will leave a lasting impact on each and every viewer who stands before a spot-illuminated Ilfochrome. Of Kodachrome, I have only seen four very large (3m across) Ilfochrome prints on display from PKL-200 in 20 years or so (with such visible and distracting grain that it was entirely forgettable). Think of the alternatives available today with modern, fine-grained emulsions and work towards skilling up in processes and just moving on. We cannot sit and tug and cry at the forelocks of a bygone era.
    I'm sure that tree in the Grand Canyon slide you mention is worthy of positive commentary. After all, the simplest compositions are often the most successful!
    Well, I don't know where to start looking for a lab. Have any suggestions?

    As far as the Kodachrome thing, I'm hoping to publish a book on the adventure, so I just would like to compare, I'm interested to see how a direct print compares to how it looks on a light box and how it scans, and then of course to hang above my desk

    Thanks, I'll move on I just need to complete this project first. In fact I've already moved on, I only own 5 rolls of new Kodak Tmax and 10 of old expired ektachrome EPP and the rest is Fuji/Ilford

    Any leads would be great, honestly it would be cooler to have an APUG member personally do it that would make it doubly special and I could plug APUG in the book!


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    Are labs now scanning and digitally printing?

    Oh I lied, I also have a brick of Ektar and a few New Portra/PortraVC's


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    Ilfochrome was like home cookin'. If you wanted it done right, you had to do it yourself. Not many
    labs would expend the labor needed for ideal masking. It was a wonderful marriage for Kodachrome;
    and I still haven't seen anything digital which favorably compares, though a handful of people have
    gotten LIghtjet or Lambda onto Fuji Supergloss with excellent results. Around here labs are doing both optical RA4 printing and various digital options. The remaining inventories of Ilfochrome are mostly in private hands for personal printing. There might be one lab in LA which still does it, but that can't last for long. Time to learn new tricks.

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    Are labs now scanning and digitally printing?

    Quote Originally Posted by DREW WILEY View Post
    Ilfochrome was like home cookin'. If you wanted it done right, you had to do it yourself. Not many
    labs would expend the labor needed for ideal masking. It was a wonderful marriage for Kodachrome;
    and I still haven't seen anything digital which favorably compares, though a handful of people have
    gotten LIghtjet or Lambda onto Fuji Supergloss with excellent results. Around here labs are doing both optical RA4 printing and various digital options. The remaining inventories of Ilfochrome are mostly in private hands for personal printing. There might be one lab in LA which still does it, but that can't last for long. Time to learn new tricks.
    That's why I'm hoping a super kind APUGer reads this and takes pity in me lol


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