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    Agree with that comment, but I fear people really get in a tiff over their perception of the characters making these images (hipsters), not so much the 'product' or results. I'll always be convinced that people can produce strong images with such processes and equipment. When it poses as art though, you can't help seeing the person behind the picture. This hipster witch hunt might transform into a more general analog photographer witch hunt someday. We're just a more developed version of Lomographers all said and done.

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    Nerds are the inhabitants of Nerdistan.
    A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E. von Hoegh View Post
    From the comments section of the Guardian artical: "it's not "Lomography" it's PHOTOGRAPHY. Stop enabling these people!

    "Lomo" and "Lomography" are the brand names for a bunch of scammers who basically sell existing cameras (or silly, painted versions of existing cameras) in fancy packages for twice the price. Cheap cameras with plastic lenses, Russian knockoffs of fancier cameras, 35mm film and 120 film - all have existed for decades, long before the Lomo folks figured out that they could bilk idiots by putting a $40 Holga in a colourful box with one roll of bad film and charge $80 for it. Get your Holga on eBay from China where they are made and save a bundle.

    You can pick up great, simple, cheap cameras (Agfas, Holgas, Kodaks, Kievs, FEDs, etc) at jumble sales, second-hand shops, or on the internet (eBay etc) for nothing. Do that, take pictures, and call it what it is - analogue photography."
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    Do that, take pictures, and call it what it is - analogue photography."
    It's not analogue photography - it's photography. Photography was the name used when we were all using film. When digital came along, it was digital that required the differentiation, not film-based photography. Therefore "photography" is film and "digital photography" is pixels (if I had my way it would be "digital imaging"). "Analogue photography" is a complete misnomer probably put about by digital imagers. Let's face it, if they knew any better they'd be using film.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald C Koch View Post
    Nerds are the inhabitants of Nerdistan.
    Are geeks the inhabitants of Geece?
    I do use a digital device in my photographic pursuits when necessary.
    When someone rags on me for using film, I use a middle digit, upraised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lxdude View Post
    Are geeks the inhabitants of Geece?
    Geeks come from Geekopolis. Any nerd knows this.......

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    When I began studying photography (college 1970's), I was quickly made aware of how little I knew. As I studied, and learned more, I soon came to know that the more I learned, the more there was to be learned. Once I realized I would never know it all, I concentrated on what I did know- keeping it basic (same film/developers/etc, as suggested above). Photography is almost infinite in its variety. No person can master everything. Your best option is to work with a limited number of materials, doing your best to master them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBrunner View Post
    Magic bullets are only useful if you have a magic gun to put them in.
    Love this, Jason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostman View Post
    I have been doing my own developing for a couple of years now. I am learning more than ever through experimentation, practical application and reading. I find I go through a lot of 'the more I learn the less I know'.

    This is the internet and I think it's very often dangerous. The opinions and geekery about subject matter lead me to believe that there are more people with Asperger's than I thought.

    There are so many techniques out there that it just becomes a mine-field. Standard developing vs stand developing, this developer vs that developer, this tank vs that tank, everything vs everything to the nth degree.

    Do some of these things really make a difference. What got me going was that I started reading about stand developing, why do it, what are the pros, the cons? etc. I try new developers from time to time and I try different films. I like the science, but I like the picture and I just want to get into the darkroom with a good enough negative and print a picture. I find it's better for me to follow a standard (generally the manufacturer's and then tweak it to my situation). Use the same set of products and try and try again until I get the results I want and then try to continue to get those results.

    By results I mean to a good enough standard for me to work with in a darkroom and produce a good enough picture that pleases me and others.

    Surely what matters is what you take into the darkroom and print on paper. It's a craft, a science, yes, but can we become bogged down in microscopic details?

    Can we easily become bogged down in geekery or are there really superior results to be found in engineering things to the nth degree?
    You've asked a question that you already know (justifiably) the answer to. You've struck the mother lode (APUG) of photographic geekdom!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ROL View Post
    You've asked a question that you already know (justifiably) the answer to. You've struck the mother lode (APUG) of photographic geekdom!
    Actually, I think that the average APUGer's obsession with gear rather is rather low when compared to other forums. Yes, we talk a lot about gear and techniques, and sometimes very fanatically so, but have you been to other (digital) photography forums recently? I joined a certain forum recently where the main focus lies on rangefinder cameras (), and the expensive-gear-talk-versus-good-photographs-posted ratio is just staggering.

    As for myself, I let others do the testing, then profit from their results to pick out the things I need. Thank you, geeks of the earth!
    And the sign said, "long haired freaky people need not apply"

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