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    Quote Originally Posted by AndreasT View Post
    Women are wiser than we think and usually they are correct in what they say. We (men) tend to forget that or even think otherwise. Even when they go mad they do forgive and understand. If she says there are too many cameras she will have a good point and is proberly correct.
    Women may have too many shoes but it is part of there identity. Cameras etc. may be part of the identity of men, but women also wear shoes for men, to look good. Men don't have cameras for their wives, we may brag with them but I would say it is more souly for us.
    I believe Philippe-Georges above has a few good points. She may reconize a problem clearer and better than a man. I would rather give my money to women than a man.
    Women are carrying the world's wisdom, they pass it on, more or less, to the world.
    Men spoil that wisdom, time after time, and to cover that men oppress women...
    As a father, I finally got aware of that, but why it took so long?
    "...If you can not stand the rustle of the leafs, then do not go in to the woods..."
    (freely translated quote by Guido Gezelle)

    PS: English is only my third language, please do forgive me my sloppy grammar...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diapositivo View Post

    You seem to have some kind of a feminist bias. Don't worry. Certainly some black slaves were pro-slavery, after all
    I don't like that remark...
    "...If you can not stand the rustle of the leafs, then do not go in to the woods..."
    (freely translated quote by Guido Gezelle)

    PS: English is only my third language, please do forgive me my sloppy grammar...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philippe-Georges View Post
    I don't like that remark...
    I understand why you'd say that, but your initial statements - as well as Andreas T's - do show a strong feminist bias... to the point of being rediculously untrue.
    Last edited by BrianShaw; 12-05-2012 at 12:47 PM. Click to view previous post history. Reason: ... excluding post #98

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianShaw View Post
    I understand why you'd say that, but your initial statements - as well as Andreas T's - do show a strong feminist bias... to the point of being rediculously untrue.
    Lets not let this get ugly ok.
    I would not say it is feminist bias, I would like to say to be open to what women say or think. Why do you mean rediculously untrue? It is difficult to state my point of view in writting in English. Anyway IMO men get very edgy and nervous (like a short agressive attention span) when listening to a women. I do all the time, we need to try and listen. Both sides should be objective, women also misunderstand men. Women may be vain sure, but we do want that often. Do you not think if we are true to ourselves we only want them to be vain. Who wants to talk to a women? This may be a hard statement but I think there is a bit of trouth there. (I am going to regret this)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diapositivo View Post
    In fact you are giving them to Frau Merkel

    IMO Woman want to look good for the benefit of their own vanity and especially insecurity, not "for men". They certainly don't wear high heels out of generosity toward men (who normally don't care a fig about heels, and care about other stuff, for which many woman are not just as generous ).

    I think it was Schiller who said something like: "Men desire woman; woman desire men's desire".

    You seem to have some kind of a feminist bias. Don't worry. Certainly some black slaves were pro-slavery, after all
    It may be that she is doing a good job we will see about that.
    Sometimes this shoe handbag stuff damn that can be a pain. Then again all this tech talk about cars too. If we started giving a fig about heels etc. we may start realising in a part why they do it and it can be an enrichment for men. It was and is for me. We do not see what women wear, we just look at there "assets", but those hidden things which women use to make themselves more attractive shows the true power of women. We do not even get it.
    But to tell the truth I agree with Schiller at the end of the day.
    P.S. my girlfriend is sitting next to me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndreasT View Post
    Lets not let this get ugly ok.
    (snip)
    (I am going to regret this)
    No, there will be no ugliness and you shouldn't regret anything except that it may be inappropriate in this context. Let me be clear: I think your opinion is valid even though I disagree. But I think opinions on that topic have no place in this forum. So believe what you will, but making generic statements like that is rediculously untrue -- meaning not all women ... and not all men ...

    And every time you say "we" this and "we" that... you should make sure you say "I". Your attitude seems, IMO, a lot less experienced and mature than it will be after you are married for a while and walked a few more miles on the face of this earth. IMHO, of course, and with no disrespect intended.

    Let's talk photography.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philippe-Georges View Post
    There might be a few (good-)reasons why your wife would not accept you buying an other camera.
    She might have other, more important, priorities or items to spend money on:
    - a baby coming its way, something that costs hands full of money, she thinks you might have 'forgotten' that
    - a new or safer car to take the kids to school
    - a new washing machine, clean underwear and ditto baby clothes are important too!
    - redecorating, a cosy house is nice for the whole family (and feeding the baby)
    - the heating boiler is aging
    - she thinks that you should invest in something really useful, what ever that might be (for the baby)
    - the threat of the economical crisis is coming in closer and closer
    - the mortgage (rent) that is becoming more and more difficult to pay (see above)
    - her job is insecure (and she didn't dear to tell you) (see above)
    - keep something for bad times to come (see above)
    - she finally might want something nice, and less down to earth, for her self too (becoming a mother is ruining your body shape...)
    - she doesn't like the kind of pictures you take, you might change you style first...
    - she want you to be more kind and attend full to her
    - she thinks that you love more these camera's than you love her...
    - she thinks that you already have enough spend on those damned camera's: "...now, do something good, get out and shoot!!!..."

    Be happy with the new baby and forget that Hasselblad (and see that quote below)!
    ... she just wants to be the boss of you just because she thinks that she can. Be happy with the new baby and buy that Hasselblad!
    Warning!! Handling a Hasselblad can be harmful to your financial well being!

    Nothing beats a great piece of glass!

    I leave the digital work for the urologists and proctologists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndreasT View Post
    Women are wiser than we think and usually they are correct in what they say. We (men) tend to forget that or even think otherwise. Even when they go mad they do forgive and understand. If she says there are too many cameras she will have a good point and is proberly correct.
    Women may have too many shoes but it is part of there identity. Cameras etc. may be part of the identity of men, but women also wear shoes for men, to look good. Men don't have cameras for their wives, we may brag with them but I would say it is more souly for us.
    I believe Philippe-Georges above has a few good points. She may reconize a problem clearer and better than a man. I would rather give my money to women than a man.
    Women think that they are wiser. That is not always the case.

    I would rather keep the money for myself, thus earn the woman's respect in my self confidence.
    Warning!! Handling a Hasselblad can be harmful to your financial well being!

    Nothing beats a great piece of glass!

    I leave the digital work for the urologists and proctologists.

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    My late wife was a packrat, she saved Yarn! She also had three knitting machines, but she bought yarn faster than she could use it. After she died, I learned to use the machines, I can knit myself (and friends) really nice sweaters. I now have a girl friend, she does complain about my many cameras, she thinks that film is so out of it, wants it now!. I do have a D700, she likes it more than I, so she uses it and I get to use my Rollei, Leicas, and other film cameras to my heart's delight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philippe-Georges View Post
    I don't like that remark...
    Sorry if the message went through as something offensive. I did not mean to offend at all.

    One day maybe somebody will found the "Men Liberation Front" and only then the real apostolate will begin, to make men conscious of their stolen rights and of the exploitation a feminist society exercise on them. In this sense, I hope one day you will become conscious of the state in which you are kept

    Some examples:

    in my youth, men had to do the compulsory military service (one year of life lost). Woman had not because, you know, they are woman, but they could be professional soldiers, because, you know, there must be parity of rights, and you could find them as your high-rank officer. You in the mud, they in the air-conditioned room pushing buttons on war simulators. No good for war, but good to compete with you in the military job market.

    Woman live longer but retire earlier. Until a few years ago it was correct to say that a woman starting to work at 20, retiring at 60, living until 80, had 20 years pension for 40 years of contribution. A man starting at 20, retiring at 65, living until 70, had 5 years of pension with 45 years of contribution. Basically men have always paid woman's pensions. Your next of kin at your office, sitting at the desk opposite you, performing exactly the same office work, will retire earlier than you, because she's a delicate woman and her delicate butt suffers in being sitting too many years. You pay.

    You marry. So romantic. If you have children and then divorce, in my country you have 99% probabilities your children to remain with the mother, and she will remain in the house. You will have to give her basically your entire wage besides continuing paying the mortgage. You will have to go on paying her your entire wage even if she lives, in your house, with another man richer than both you and her. Divorced man here spend their nights inside cars. The very lucky ones can maybe afford a bedroom for €500,00. Outrageous but appearing as normal, it seems.

    You work in an office where let's say 20% of personnel is a woman (for sociological reasons over which nobody has control). But with "pink quotas" a woman is going now to have 4 times more probability, coeteris paribus, to get a promotion because, you know, it's unfair if less than half persons in top positions are woman (we in Italy are fast arriving there, some other peoples have already this kind of Indian reserve quotas).

    You appear not to be divorced, not as of yet.

    If and when you are, you'll become aware of the state of exploitation which you, as a divorced man, will be forced to endure. You'll probably forget a bit of all this sugary rhetoric. Believe me society as a whole is unjust toward men. The blame is not to be put on woman, but on the kind of "feminist men" who are "plus réalistes que le roi" and who made all this madness possible.

    Regarding trusting your money, I've never heard a man even remotely mentioning the "Maya profecy". If you go to Piazza Navona, where fortune-tellers thrive, you will easily notice that 100% of the clients are woman. I've never met a man in my life who ever asked me my zodiacal sign.

    Don't give money to somebody who thinks her future is written in her skin wrinkles.

    'nuf said
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