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    She's a Canon 5d shooter... her dad must have bought it for her so she could be a photographer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximusM3 View Post
    Remind her that fast lenses were originally developed to allow more light in when there was little, without resorting to loooong exposures, especially handheld. It is only recently, after Leica figured out that there was a huge market in catering to fools who believe that a lens should ALWAYS be used WIDE OPEN, even in the middle of the day, just because it looks cool with all that "bokeh" and 3D pop (God I hate that term), even though the resulting images are usually total shit, that fast lenses have been selling like hot cakes.
    Max, with due respect I don't believe that most Leica users (me included) shoot at full aperture, or that Leitz took this into consideration within their marketing plans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximusM3 View Post
    Remind her that fast lenses (for 35mm) were originally developed to allow more light in when there was little, without resorting to loooong exposures, especially handheld. It is only recently, after Leica figured out that there was a huge market in catering to fools who believe that a lens should ALWAYS be used WIDE OPEN, even in the middle of the day, just because it looks cool with all that "bokeh" and 3D pop (God I hate that term), even though the resulting images are usually total shit, that fast lenses have been selling like hot cakes.
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    At least she isn't asking: "Can we fix it in post?"
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    Clive, then you must be out of touch I am obviously not referring to you, or myself for that matter, but most digital shooters, (which make up the vast majority of Leica buyers these days) buy fast lenses to shoot them wide open all the time. If you care to check most sharing sites, you will see what I mean. I'm telling you, it's epidemic

    Just ask ANYONE who owns the new Noctilux .95 ($11,000) and ask them why they bought it. I bet you the $11,000 that the answer is not because they can't shoot at ungodly speeds when there is no light, but because they like to put a ND10 in front of it and shoot it at high noon in full sun at .95 to get that "bokah"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximusM3 View Post
    Clive, then you must be out of touch I am obviously not referring to you, or myself for that matter, but most digital shooters, (which make up the vast majority of Leica buyers these days) buy fast lenses to shoot them wide open all the time. If you care to check most sharing sites, you will see what I mean. I'm telling you, it's epidemic

    Just ask ANYONE who owns the new Noctilux .95 ($11,000) and ask them why they bought it. I bet you the $11,000 that the answer is not because they can't shoot at ungodly speeds when there is no light, but because they like to put a ND10 in front of it and shoot it at high noon in full sun at .95 to get that "bokah"
    LOL
    just go to flickr and search welder's goggles filter

    but the bookqua is so nice at .95!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximusM3 View Post
    Clive, then you must be out of touch I am obviously not referring to you, or myself for that matter, but most digital shooters, (which make up the vast majority of Leica buyers these days) buy fast lenses to shoot them wide open all the time. If you care to check most sharing sites, you will see what I mean. I'm telling you, it's epidemic

    Just ask ANYONE who owns the new Noctilux .95 ($11,000) and ask them why they bought it. I bet you the $11,000 that the answer is not because they can't shoot at ungodly speeds when there is no light, but because they like to put a ND10 in front of it and shoot it at high noon in full sun at .95 to get that "bokah"
    Max, you could be correct, as I did not think about digital shooters. I am still finding it difficult to equate digital technology in relation to Leica which is a camera system that goes back so many years.

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    Unbelivers- the best bohkens can only be achieved by becoming one with the zero, with the asymptotic lens, the F/0. Believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cliveh View Post
    Max, you could be correct, as I did not think about digital shooters. I am still finding it difficult to equate digital technology in relation to Leica which is a camera system that goes back so many years.
    Clive,

    Trust me, I have the same issue. The reality is that for Leica to survive in this brave new world, they have to play the game very differently. Having said that, I've fallen for the same fast lens gimmicks a few years back, but I am happy to say that I have grown a bit as a photographer. I think many go through it, and eventually realize that aperture should be at the service of the image, vision and mostly about necessity (for 35mm anyway).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnanian View Post
    LOL
    just go to flickr and search welder's goggles filter

    but the bookqua is so nice at .95!
    Yeah!

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