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    Quote Originally Posted by Soeren View Post
    Hmm Ole, Doesn't the skopar also have six air/glass surfaces? Though according to the Vade Mecum the Heliar is 5 lenses in three groups and the Skopar is four lenses in three groups.
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    Exactly Søren; the Skopar is a Tessar(clone). So the Heliar has an extra (cemented) element in one of the groups.

    The extreme case of x-in-three is the Schneider-Göttingen Aero-Xenar 300mm f:5.5, which seems to be eight or nine elements in three groups, combinet as a kind of "super-Heliar".
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    Guru Fishing alert :)

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    Are there films that are better suited for those lenses than others e.g. clasic emulsion like Adox prefered over modern T-grain like Tmax ( just an example, don't know Tmax)
    I have a Zeiss Ikonta 35mm with a 45mm novar and I made some pics on FP4+ and though they where developed and printed in a comercial lab they had something special, some kind of glow. The tonality really was stunning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ole View Post
    Exactly Søren; the Skopar is a Tessar(clone). So the Heliar has an extra (cemented) element in one of the groups.

    The extreme case of x-in-three is the Schneider-Göttingen Aero-Xenar 300mm f:5.5, which seems to be eight or nine elements in three groups, combinet as a kind of "super-Heliar".

    Hmm Funny though, the color Heliars looks like the older Skopars 4/3 and the color skopars look like older heliar 5/3
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    There were an uncountable variations of Tessars,
    and Heliars. A name is just a name is just a name..

    As for looking for a magic film, well, just like with the lens, the magic comes from how you use it.

    The magic is up to you,
    not the lens, not the film,
    just you.

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    This topic interests me very much, because I have long wanted to have a Bessa II rangefinder, which is available with both the Skopar and the Heliar (and also the very rare APO-Lanthar). The Heliar version is more expensive than the one with the Skopar, so I'm very curious as to what people thought they were buying, in image terms, when they selected one version or another. I have a 210mm Heliar for large format, and find it soft and romantic looking wide open--but I'm not sure that's the look I want from a Bessa II.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ole View Post
    Heliars and Tessars have the same number of air/glass surfaces: Six. Just like triplets.
    D'Oh. My bad counting and thoughtless rephrasing from the vade medum. :rolleyes:

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