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    wow... I guess I REALLY shouldn't have been shooting the fbi building with my 1950's Moskva5. Although I did love the irony while I was shooting...
    "the age of nature is past; it has finally exhausted the patience of all sensitive minds by the loathsome monotony of its landscapes and skies." naturaimmemorial.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by david b View Post
    She was polite and did not give the guy a hard time at all. She was informative and told him over and over again what he had to do.
    This begs the question: Who cares if the fascism enforcer is polite when (s)he tells you your ability to behave as if you lived in a free society doesn't exist?
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    She was wrong but I would not want to get into the hassel. I just take a picture for fun and it's not worth it.
    I could take a picture simply with my eyes and mind if I were the bad guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by david b View Post
    She was polite and did not give the guy a hard time at all. She was informative and told him over and over again what he had to do.
    I see. Well then by the same logic, what's to stop any one of us from being informative and telling them IRS over and over again what they have to do? Say... say we just don't want to pay the taxes anymore? The polite element is what makes everything copacetic, right?

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    I love the wilderness and I love my trail cameras, all Fuji's! :) GA645, GW690 III, and the X100 which I think is the best trail camera ever invented (to date).

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    I often shot the Capitol, Supreme Court, Jefferson & Lincoln Memorials in the 1980's. If I used my view, and tripod, I needed a permit. They were easy to obtain. At the Capitol, it got to the point where I would just call the person who issued the permits. She'd tell me to go ahead. When I was approached by Police, they'd call her, and she'd OK my presence. Same with the NPS, and shooting the monuments. It didn't require a lot of effort....
    After the Oklahoma City bombings, things changed a bit. At the Capitol, I was limited in where I could set up, and escorted by an officer. I haven't tried post 9/11, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddie View Post
    I often shot the Capitol, Supreme Court, Jefferson & Lincoln Memorials in the 1980's. If I used my view, and tripod, I needed a permit. They were easy to obtain. At the Capitol, it got to the point where I would just call the person who issued the permits. She'd tell me to go ahead. When I was approached by Police, they'd call her, and she'd OK my presence. Same with the NPS, and shooting the monuments. It didn't require a lot of effort....
    After the Oklahoma City bombings, things changed a bit. At the Capitol, I was limited in where I could set up, and escorted by an officer. I haven't tried post 9/11, though.
    I'm almost convinced that the only reason photography is being stifled is because it is a convenient way to restrict freedom of the press. You stifle photography of federal buildings and of police officers and suddenly you've got control over what sorts of imagery gets published when it comes to political issues and issues of police conduct. Sure press might be able to get passes, but suddenly you've got the power to issue passes to whomever you feel like and arrest people who don't have them. In other words, no more free press.

    Whether that's by design (I strongly suspect it is) or by coincidence, that's the ramification.

    You're sure as hell not going to stop a terrorist attack that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eddie View Post
    I often shot the Capitol, Supreme Court, Jefferson & Lincoln Memorials in the 1980's. If I used my view, and tripod, I needed a permit. They were easy to obtain. At the Capitol, it got to the point where I would just call the person who issued the permits. She'd tell me to go ahead. When I was approached by Police, they'd call her, and she'd OK my presence. Same with the NPS, and shooting the monuments. It didn't require a lot of effort....
    After the Oklahoma City bombings, things changed a bit. At the Capitol, I was limited in where I could set up, and escorted by an officer. I haven't tried post 9/11, though.
    Congradulations for you! You follow orders very well, just like the "good" slave they want you to be.

    The question then becomes, at what point does following orders break your sensibilities?
    I love the wilderness and I love my trail cameras, all Fuji's! :) GA645, GW690 III, and the X100 which I think is the best trail camera ever invented (to date).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1SharpMonkey View Post
    Congradulations for you! You follow orders very well, just like the "good" slave they want you to be.
    I resent being called a slave, good or otherwise. You don't know me, or my politics. All I was saying was it's been their policy since before 9/11. And, getting the permits (at least back then) was not an inconvenience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddie View Post
    I resent being called a slave, good or otherwise. You don't know me, or my politics. All I was saying was it's been their policy since before 9/11. And, getting the permits (at least back then) was not an inconvenience.
    I was very very careful with my choice of words. I did not call you a slave. Please re-read. I said what I said to stimulate your mind with where humanity is going in the "United States". Notice I was being very very careful with how I called the name of the country. It is no longer United States of America. There is a legal distinction between the two.
    I love the wilderness and I love my trail cameras, all Fuji's! :) GA645, GW690 III, and the X100 which I think is the best trail camera ever invented (to date).

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    Reread your post. You did call me "the good slave they want you to be." You chose those words.

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