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View Poll Results: do you like grain ?

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    John - thanks for starting this thread. I am thoroughly "jacked" about everyone's input, ideas, and results. I have done a lot of D3200 at 1600 at 3200 but no further. Over the weekend I rated 2 D3200 rolls at 1000. Souped DDX for 6400. Contact printed them but have yet to enlarge to really see what I got. I am hoping to get real gritty results for this noir/crime series of my toys I am doing. I am still testing to see what process I want and what combo says it for me.

    Thomas - I am inspired to try the Rodinal 1+25 semi-stand, too. Have never tried it before. Fabulous grain and range you got.

    This is great feedback, everyone and thanks........ CHEERS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keithwms View Post

    I...just don't care for how c41 grain enlarges. Looks too much like digital colour noise to my eye.

    I think that might have been the words I was going for when I posted

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    its been 4.5 years
    any new answers to the same old riddle ?

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    i've been thinking of this thread a lot lately ...


    these days, i wish there was a way i could use a developer
    and film to have selective grain. ...
    to develop the film in such a way to
    have parts of the image grainy, and some of the image
    not so grainy. i've been thinking of somehow concocting
    a developer paste ( or ? ) like was in the old polaroid pods
    and smearing it on part of the film and regular developer on the other
    parts of the film and seeing what happens. i know i could also
    develop the negative 2x, using rubber cement to shield from one of the developers ..
    ( used to do this for selective toning all the time )
    unfortunately i think what will happen is there will be a drastic
    change in where one developer was and the other wasn't
    like a line, instead of a gradual merging.
    i know there are ways of introducing grain and texture in the printing
    of an image, but i am tired without a lot of time to devote to printing
    so i would rather have this in the photographic negative ...

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    jnanian....sometimes I actually DO stick my nose right up to a painting or....(ok, I do stay far enough back to not set off the alarms or freak the museum attendant)....in order to see how the painter achieved the look they did. It is fascinating to me how technique affects art and vice versa. But perhaps I'm in the minority....

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    hi astroclimb

    your technique sounds great, as long as the alarms don't go off
    i had a friend who i used to own an art gallery with a bunch of years ago. he painted with acrylics
    and he did it in such a way that they looked like oil paintings. i have one of his paintings on the wall
    and i always have my nose to it like you describe. its kind of like cake frosting. i always wonder how he did that ...

    but with photography photographers ( for the most part ) examine the minute details instead of the big picture.
    to each their own ( as long as they don't make the alarms go off ! )

    john

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    The most beautiful grain I've ever seen was Tri-X 400 (35mm) in PMK Pyro. Pretty exceptional.

    Unfortunately, I couldn't make the negatives print the way I wanted them to on variable contrast paper (probably because of the stain), so I gave it up. With graded paper it was the bees knees.

    I embrace grain, and I also don't care too much about it. In my opinion, tonality is a much more interesting visual statement, and something that screams at you from across a room. Grain is, well, the make-up of the image. Like our dear friend Flotsam said, it is supposed to be there.
    "Often moments come looking for us". - Robert Frank

    "Make good art!" - Neil Gaiman

    "...the heart and mind are the true lens of the camera". - Yousuf Karsh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Bertilsson View Post
    I embrace grain, and I also don't care too much about it. In my opinion, tonality is a much more interesting visual statement, and something that screams at you from across a room. Grain is, well, the make-up of the image. Like our dear friend Flotsam said, it is supposed to be there.
    I think i also agree. I embrace good tonality and sharpness. If the result is sharp, then the grain will not bother, and might increase the impact of the image. But there is grain and grain. I like tight grain, like the one in Tmax 400 for example.
    This Nikkor lens is so good... that it should be labeled as a Canon lens!

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    hi thomas

    i enjoy grain too, but think it would be fun to be able to
    be able to paint with the grain much like one paints with light.
    i do this with liquid emulsion on paper sometimes, different developers
    masking techniques brushes bla blah blah .. but with film i think
    it would be more fun to make a unique transparency ( positive, negative it doesn't matter )
    something unique that has relief, grain texture and nuance, much like some prints have ..
    but as the 1st generation image ...

    by all means enjoy the grain, that is what is there for ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnanian View Post
    hi thomas

    i enjoy grain too, but think it would be fun to be able to
    be able to paint with the grain much like one paints with light.
    i do this with liquid emulsion on paper sometimes, different developers
    masking techniques brushes bla blah blah .. but with film i think
    it would be more fun to make a unique transparency ( positive, negative it doesn't matter )
    something unique that has relief, grain texture and nuance, much like some prints have ..
    but as the 1st generation image ...

    by all means enjoy the grain, that is what is there for ...
    Can you make an in camera carbon print?
    "Often moments come looking for us". - Robert Frank

    "Make good art!" - Neil Gaiman

    "...the heart and mind are the true lens of the camera". - Yousuf Karsh

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