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    I've bought a few things off them, all BGN. Apart from one lens having faulty autofocus (which they replaced no problem) they've all been perfect optically with one or two minor cosmetic issues which suits me just fine. My big whinge is that our currency has fallen to the point where it's almost twice as expensive to buy from them now. Oh well...

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    I've purchased many items from KEH and also sold items to them. Never a problem, great return policy. They have my highest recommendation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirius Glass View Post
    2F/2F,

    You are wrong. A D is still passing. Therefore BGN is from C- to C+ and UG is from D- to D+. They have non-operational cameras in there Collector Items.

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    Where is a D passing? I want to go to THAT school!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirius Glass View Post
    Any elementary, middle school, or high school will have a D as a passing grade.
    Any college or university for undergraduate work will have a D as a passing grade. Grad school work will have a C as a passing grade.

    Steve
    I highly dispute this. No school I have ever attended (all public) has ever allowed a D to pass to the next class or get degree credit. This includes the CC I currently attend.

    I am reading my school catalog right now. Degree requirements are not counted by the school, or for transfer to public universities unless they are completed "with a minimum grade of C".

    I thought that some grad. schools require Bs to pass, not Cs.

    Also, the analogy holds either way! A D is 60- 69.9% (pretty bad) whether it is "passing" or not! Even if it is "passing" at some places, you can bet that "barely satisfactory" or some similar phrase is part of the official description of the mark.
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    I taught in a graduate program at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, and students needed to get a 'B' to get credit for the class, there was no 'C' grade. It was the same when I attended the school as a grad student in the late 70's. I don't know about any other institution.
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    Confession - I was a college administrator for four years. At most undergraduate programs, a D is a passing grade FOR AN INDIVIDUAL COURSE, however most bachelor's degree PROGRAMS require an overall GPA of 2.0 (C) for graduation (sometimes higher), and also any course with prerequisites will require a C in the previous course (but usually you can take any given course up to three times and have at least a couple semesters of "probation"). It's amazing how much damage a single C, D or F can do to an otherwise great GPA.

    Graduate school is much tighter. Generally a graduate program won't award a degree to a student with a cumulative GPA of less than 3.0 (B), and not more than one repeated course. At the graduate level, if you make a C in a course required for your program, you are on very thin ice, and you won't get more than a semester to bring your grades up.

    I think it's safe to say that a "bargain" grade lens (from KEH or anywhere else) gets a C grade, and an "ugly" lens gets a D/F. Would I buy bargain gear like this? Maybe, but I doubt I'd use it on a job I was getting paid to complete.

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    My whole point was that bargain could be anywhere from "a notch above terrible", to "good enough:, to "pretty OK".
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    The problem with the reasoning is it's a subjective grading system. Not an objective one. There are hard graders. There are easy graders.

    KEH grades tougher then many others.

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    I think the problem being had here is that letter grades mean different things. In some places, a B is 80-89%. In other places a B is 70-79%.

    Where I live, we tend to use percentage grades. A 50 is a passing grade in high school and undergraduate work (although you need a 65% GPA to earn a degree). A graduate degree has a 70 as a passing grade.
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    I have bought a lot from KEH. They are great. But I do consider bargain a crap shoot. The bargain items I have received have ranged from practically mint to been-through-the-wars. Sometimes you would save so much that it's worth taking the chance. At worst, with their wonderful return policy, you'd be out some time and the shipping expenses. Otherwise, Ex is a safe floor.

    It also depends on what you are buying. I have found that with popular or well-stocked items (say, a Nikkor 50/1.8 AIS), bargains have been in fine condition. For more thinly stocked or scarce items, in my experience the bargain rating really has meant "not so great." But then there are the very overstocked or unpopular items, which I suspect they may rate as bargain just to move the merchandise.

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