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    $250 Ticket, amature photog shooting on a tripod in NYC without a permit?

    While at Orchard Beach, a NYC public beach, I saw a photographer get a ticket for shooting a model on the sand without a permit because he was using a tripod.

    The park ranger said as soon as you shoot on a tripod in NYC you are considered a professional and that requires a NYC permit... it's the law. Is this true?

    Anyone know exactly what the law is on this?
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    NYC permits

    Quote Originally Posted by paul ron View Post
    While at Orchard Beach, a NYC public beach, I saw a photographer get a ticket for shooting a model on the sand without a permit because he was using a tripod.

    The park ranger said as soon as you shoot on a tripod in NYC you are considered a professional and that requires a NYC permit... it's the law. Is this true?

    Anyone know exactly what the law is on this?
    According to the nyc.gov web site, a permit is NOT required for:

    - Hand-held cameras or tripods are used and the person filming does not assert exclusive use of City property.

    So unless the area around the model was cordoned off, I think the police offer was perhaps overzealous. (Even if he wasn't the permit fee is $300 and the $250 ticket is cheaper.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ehf View Post
    According to the nyc.gov web site, a permit is NOT required for:

    - Hand-held cameras or tripods are used and the person filming does not assert exclusive use of City property.

    So unless the area around the model was cordoned off, I think the police offer was perhaps overzealous. (Even if he wasn't the permit fee is $300 and the $250 ticket is cheaper.)
    I would just like to affirm the above comment. Tripod use alone does not require a tripod, and there's a good chance the ticket could be challenged in court. If the photographer is blocking access, that could be a problem. hard to imagine on the beach. I think I would not admit being a professional if possible. In the above case I'd say this or my girlfriend, or because I'm way older than most models, my friend's daughter. Then there's the question of, unless it's large format, why do need a tripod on the beach?

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    The police don't know the law, they just enforce it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul ron View Post
    The park ranger said as soon as you shoot on a tripod in NYC you are considered a professional and that requires a NYC permit... it's the law. Is this true?
    Being considered professional and actually being there in a professional capacity are two different things.

    Whilst it might be a park ruling, I doubt that it is law.


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    I just got this from a reliable source about the LAW as written by NYC...

    http://www.nyc.gov/html/film/downloa...s_QA_final.pdf

    I will take this to the Orchard Beach police n rangers to make them aware.
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    While its disappointing, its not at all surprising that the police would act in this way. I used to go to Orchard Beach as a child, but uneven rule enforcement ( and sometimes complete lack of enforcement) drove us to Rye Beach. And Play Land makes a great photo backdrop.

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    You should come visit the beach again? They did a massive sand project to restore the shoreline and an amazing cleanup of the park as well. Soon they are proposing a renovation of the old bath house n locker rooms making em into restaurants n businesses. Too bad it's still the polluted waters of the Long Island Sound but you can't have everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul ron View Post
    You should come visit the beach again? They did a massive sand project to restore the shoreline and an amazing cleanup of the park as well. Soon they are proposing a renovation of the old bath house n locker rooms making em into restaurants n businesses. Too bad it's still the polluted waters of the Long Island Sound but you can't have everything.
    Picky, picky, picky! I'll bet that you want clean air to breathe too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul ron View Post
    While at Orchard Beach, a NYC public beach, I saw a photographer get a ticket for shooting a model on the sand without a permit because he was using a tripod.
    I'm just amazed he got off with such a little ticket....no manslaughter or homicide charges?!?
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