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    Analog Retouchers where are you????

    Hello analog retouchers out there, will you please let me know yours here by responding to this post and telling us what your main retouching skills are,
    do you airbrush prints? do you oil colour images? bleach and rework transparencies and prints? do you make composites? do you use photo opaque on black and white film? ......and any of the other processes............. there seems to be so little talk of analog retouching in APUG.
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    Back in the 70's & 80's I did a lot of retouching mainly B&W prints,but occasionally colour prints for others. Also I did a lot of hand colouring work, using toners, chromogenic processes and dyes as well. The company did a lot of composite work, often using lith masks, opaque, Ruby lith tape. I've always used proper retouching dyes like Spotone, and the Paterson Colour dyes.

    In recent years the only major retouching I've done was myself out of an image A LF multiple flash exposure image in a manganese mine, someone else lit me up - there were 4 people painting the cavern walls with light making 20 full power flashes each. Took a bit of retouching but it's invisible, just done with Spotone.

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    Stipple, stipple, stipple... Those many white specks caused by dust...
    And an occassional scratch or two as well.

    I did bleach parts of prints. Either to get rid of a background completely, or to fade it.
    But a messy procedure it was, with imperfect results. I dare not say this (well... i obviously do! ), but i'm very glad that photoshop and digital post processing exist...

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    Hi Stephen, I use a '00' brush and 'spotone' to hide the white spots on my B&W prints. If it gets any more complicated than that e.g. black spots which require knifing, I'm inclined to re examine the print to see if it is worth the extra trouble. As an amateur it's not the end of the world should I fail to get a shot.
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    I do spotting and etching on my B&W prints and do other kinds of work on large format B&W negs--pencil retouching, abrasive reduction, spotting with dyes, stippling out pinholes with a stylus on the back of the neg, and I'm slowly getting better at etching on the neg with a blade.
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    I spot my prints with SPOTONE dyes... I used to use brushes but found that Iwas too clumsy with even the finest of brishes and now use tooth picks or cocktail sticks... I moisten the ends and then add dye as needed. It works great and I find I no longer over cover areas like I did with the brush. Like Vincent, I knife occasionally. However, on some negs I may add a spot or two of spotone to the neg if I am getting black spots on the print. Then you spot the print afterwards.
    Please check out my website www.amoxomphotography.com and APUG Portfolio .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Grant View Post
    Back in the 70's & 80's I did a lot of retouching mainly B&W prints,but occasionally colour prints for others. Also I did a lot of hand colouring work, using toners, chromogenic processes and dyes as well. The company did a lot of composite work, often using lith masks, opaque, Ruby lith tape. I've always used proper retouching dyes like Spotone, and the Paterson Colour dyes.

    In recent years the only major retouching I've done was myself out of an image A LF multiple flash exposure image in a manganese mine, someone else lit me up - there were 4 people painting the cavern walls with light making 20 full power flashes each. Took a bit of retouching but it's invisible, just done with Spotone.

    Ian
    Hi Ian so many of these techniques are no longer being taught, and I know its always better to be shown my masters but via books etc can u recommend any texts to learn some of these practices? it amazes me how many people are forgetting retouching was around before digital, and that almost all the functions in photoshop were based on analog retouching tools and techniques.
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    Stephen, off hand I can't think of any specific book I've had or read on retouching, maybe Otto Croy, The complete art of printing and enlarging. i think that hs a section, he also wrote a Retouching book but I've not seen that. There was a small Focal Press Guide as well, just called Retouching.

    Most of what I learnt was self taught or from magazine articles. Manufacturers used to sell Retouching kits, I have an old Johnsons one, still using the some of it, it maybe 40+ years old, came with a load of darkroom equipment.

    I have a great book on Illustration that has a good section on Photography, retouching and manipulation, I think it featured Hypnosis the company who specialised in album covers (Pink Floyd etc). It's back in the UK so I can't give you the exact title etc. I did a small amount of airbrush work as well but it wasn't my forte, I was better with a brush.

    For hand coloured work the two masters were James Wedge, (a book called Painted ladies) and particularly Bob Carlos Clarke - his best work is in a book, called Dark Summer. He used a combination of toners, chromogenic dye toners (bleach & redevelop in a colour developer with the relevant dye coupler added) and hand colouring using retouching dyes, the results are stunning. His two earlier books were also interesting, The Illustrated Delta of Venus (Anais Nin) and Obsessions.

    I used to give occasional lecture/demonstrations on hand colouring in the early 80's, using toners & dyes and would turn a B&W image into an acceptable colour image in about 30 mins, cutting a few corners


    This is the backing singer from Aphrodite's Child, Vana (also the name of her own band) - a quick hand coloured print made in the late 70's.

    Ian

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    What I know about retouching mostly came from trial and error when spotting black and white prints. I still have a set of spotting brushes and a small palette I used to use to mix Spotone for different papers (but the Spotone is long gone). I am slowly putting together all the equipment I need for a working darkroom (and looking for a pace to set it all up), but once I do I have no doubt I will start doing print and negative retouching again. Looking forward to it, in fact. I also did a little hand-coloring but never really got into that.

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    ian thanks for the image attached and the references. i like your hand colouring.
    "Its my profession to hijack time" ~ Stephen Frizza.

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