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    Quote Originally Posted by markbarendt View Post
    There are two questions there.

    Part 1 - Because we can learn almost everything off the Internet, we are no longer held hostage to books.

    Part 2 - Because the context Adams and others ZS gurus taught in no longer exists, except by choice.

    Yes the basic principles still apply but the materials and tools have changed, the old books need an updating they don't seem to be getting.
    There are plenty of modern books about The Zone System even as applied to digital photography just look on Amazon, and I find the idea of scholarship described as being "held hostage to books" ludicrous in the extreme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markbarendt View Post
    Part 2 - Because the context Adams and others ZS gurus taught in no longer exists, except by choice.

    Yes the basic principles still apply but the materials and tools have changed, the old books need an updating they don't seem to be getting.
    I agree. The books still have the authority on the subject, but to get at the real crux of all the information contained requires an investment of time and thought that isn't really necessary today. There are updated books dealing with the zone system which appropriately tackle its creative application, in today's context of 'getting results'. But, it definitely is a choice to invest in them, when you could be learning a lot more about yourself, practically. It's dangerous to be competitive in photography, especially as a hobbyist, but while you're pouring over those books, just remember that somebody else is out making great pictures, simply with a good intuition about tonality. They've likely spent more time looking at and making photographs than reading manuals. If you're planning on becoming a teacher or leading printing workshops, reading and re-reading Adams' books is definitely advantageous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by batwister View Post
    I agree. The books still have the authority on the subject, but to get at the real crux of all the information contained requires an investment of time and thought that isn't really necessary today. There are updated books dealing with the zone system which appropriately tackle its creative application, in today's context of 'getting results'. But, it definitely is a choice to invest in them, when you could be learning a lot more about yourself, practically. It's dangerous to be competitive in photography, especially as a hobbyist, but while you're pouring over those books, just remember that somebody else is out making great pictures, simply with a good intuition about tonality. They've likely spent more time looking at and making photographs than reading manuals. If you're planning on becoming a teacher or leading printing workshops, reading and re-reading Adams' books is definitely advantageous.
    I just hope that I never employ an electrician to rewire my house who learned his trade on the internet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benjiboy View Post
    I just hope that I never employ an electrician to rewire my house who learned his trade on the internet.
    Photography, unlike loose wires, isn't necessarily a life or death situation!

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    It is not scholarship that it at issue.

    The methods we get the info we study from and the availability of the teachers and peers we can learn from have radically changed.

    Right or wrong, these changes are rapidly displacing books in both form and preference by the masses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markbarendt View Post
    It is not scholarship that it at issue.

    The methods we get the info we study from and the availability of the teachers and peers we can learn from have radically changed.

    Right or wrong, these changes are rapidly displacing books in both form and preference by the masses.
    "The masses" thought National Socialism, and The Spice Girls were great , ever hear the expression "nobody ever went broke underestimating the tastes of the general public".
    What you get on the internet are opinions, and opinions are like ass holes everyone's got one. If you need hard reliable information in a concise, reasoned and comprehensive form written by an author who knows the subject well enough to write a book about it that publishers,who are hard headed business men, are willing to publish, buy it rather than relying on hearsay on the internet.
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    Don't be dis'n my girls.

    Girl Power!
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    Now that we've got the internet, does anyone still know how to read? And now with texting via thumbs and fender benders on the freeway, does anyone know any words longer than three letters
    each? Gosh, the Zone System is pretty damn elementary, whether one needs it or not. And not all
    black and white films have a lot of latitude, esp in the shadows. On a rainy day walk I might very
    well estimate values using Delta 3200 in a Nikon, or use rapid thru-the-lens metering. But in the
    same camera holding TMY, I'll spot meter every time. Of course, using the 8x10 one has the simple
    choice between careful metering or being rich enough to waste film that size.

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