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    Quote Originally Posted by markbarendt View Post
    Dang, you call in' FP4+ primitive?

    No it wouldn't be right for me to do that, since I work for Kodak.

    I had in mind the work with homebrew emulsions being done at George Eastman House by holmsburgers and PE, et. al.

    p.s. The opinions and positions I take are my own, not necessarily those of EKC.

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    I was looking for a lower-right quadrant "ideal film".

    Then I could tell if placing shadows on the toe is desirable (if the ideal film curve includes a toe). But if the ideal film is a straight line, then it may reinforce my desire to place my exposures on the straight line.

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    Last night I was thinking what Mark said about his intent, and mentioned before that I was unsatisfied doing the same.
    Then again I realised I often do something similar.
    When photographing with 35mm I sometimes raise the exposure a lot to try and blow the lights in an attempt to give the backlighting a soft look. Like an archway where I want the back white and soft.
    I think this is somehow similar to what Mark is getting at.
    ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndreasT View Post
    Last night I was thinking what Mark said about his intent, and mentioned before that I was unsatisfied doing the same.
    Then again I realised I often do something similar.
    When photographing with 35mm I sometimes raise the exposure a lot to try and blow the lights in an attempt to give the backlighting a soft look. Like an archway where I want the back white and soft.
    I think this is somehow similar to what Mark is getting at.
    ??
    Absolutely.
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    To build on that thought a bit Andreas "Photography is a subtractive art. Painting is an additive art."

    Don't know where I found that saying but it is true in my world.

    The reasons this topic has interest to me is because just like choosing a point of view, a crop, and limiting depth of field for a given shot creative exposure placement is a tool I can use to minimize or eliminate unwanted detail from a composition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markbarendt View Post
    To build on that thought a bit Andreas "Photography is a subtractive art. Painting is an additive art."
    I disagree, I would say that:

    Sculpture is a subtractive art.
    Painting is an additive art.
    Photography is an extractive art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn Dougherty View Post
    I disagree, I would say that:

    Sculpture is a subtractive art.
    Painting is an additive art.
    Photography is an extractive art.
    Please expand on that a bit.

    How do you see extractive and subtractive differently in this context?
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    Well, as far as sculpture being subtractive. Say you are whittling a piece of wood into a boat. The form of the boat already exists within that piece of wood and you are removing or subtracting physical material in order to expose it.

    I believe a photograph is extractive because you are focusing in on one area of a whole and extracting just that one square/rectangle. You are not physically subtracting what's outside of that square but choosing NOT to extract it.

    This is not my idea, I have also read this somewhere but I'm not sure of the source. It might have been "Art & Fear" by David Bayles and Ted Orland...

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    I see your point, I do think we are expressing the same idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markbarendt View Post
    I see your point, I do think we are expressing the same idea.
    I agree, the difference is just semantics.



 

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