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    I belive the above posts are correct, Adams reports in his book The Negative about shooting half dome in 1925, but it was not until the early 1940s that he and Archer developed (after 15 years of work) the Zone System. If I recall they were teaching at the College of Design in LA at the time.

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    Don't get me wrong, I adore Adams and everything he did but I think one of his gifts was.......well.........bullshit. Weston and many others had been pre-visualising forever and never thought twice about it. It just took someone like Ansel to put a name to it. And take credit for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by c6h6o3
    Right mountain, wrong photograph. It was "Monolith: The Face of Halfdome". He made it in 1927. The moon over Halfdome was taken at least 30 years later.
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    Not a credit grabber

    I do not believe that Ansel was one to take credit for the work of others. As far a being a BSer, his autobiography shows him to be a person that was congenial, who liked a good drink and was much at home in company of others. If that is what was meant by being a BSer means to be given to being a liar I must say that this is a facet of his personality that is new to me.

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    FYI: the April issue of Arizona Highways has some "long lost" images of Ansel Adams in the issue.
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    You are so close, it was a term that AA at times wished he had never said and at workshops and lectures would try to put to rest. The concept in his mind was to think in terms of the final print and work backwards.

    As to the zone system (small z) both he and Fred Archer worked on this at Art Center school of design (not college yet). They used the concept to help students to see in tones of gray. So when looking at print for a crit you could say that that value needs to come up or down by so-much. It gave the student a place to start from (middle gray or middle 'C') we all have a starting point. No dark robes, no secret chants, no waving of pyro fumes over the negatives just a starting point thats all it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Pietrzak
    Jim 'G'

    You are so close, it was a term that AA at times wished he had never said and at workshops and lectures would try to put to rest. The concept in his mind was to think in terms of the final print and work backwards.

    As to the zone system (small z) both he and Fred Archer worked on this at Art Center school of design (not college yet). They used the concept to help students to see in tones of gray. So when looking at print for a crit you could say that that value needs to come up or down by so-much. It gave the student a place to start from (middle gray or middle 'C') we all have a starting point. No dark robes, no secret chants, no waving of pyro fumes over the negatives just a starting point thats all it is.

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    Bravo, best explanation yet. Since you worked with the man, you should know. Now explain his diet of jelly beans and burbon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wooten
    Any discussion out there on "Where did Ansel come up with the concept of previsualization?"
    He didn't. That's a term from Minor White. Adams called it 'visualization', and I believe all he meant originally was something to help him better predict how his prints would look for his commercial clients. I don't think he meant it as a special kind of 'artistic sense'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Pietrzak
    Jim 'G'

    You are so close, it was a term that AA at times wished he had never said and at workshops and lectures would try to put to rest. The concept in his mind was to think in terms of the final print and work backwards.

    As to the zone system (small z) both he and Fred Archer worked on this at Art Center school of design (not college yet). They used the concept to help students to see in tones of gray. So when looking at print for a crit you could say that that value needs to come up or down by so-much. It gave the student a place to start from (middle gray or middle 'C') we all have a starting point. No dark robes, no secret chants, no waving of pyro fumes over the negatives just a starting point thats all it is.

    Jan Pietrzak
    Ditto what Aggie said! Thanks Jan for the insight. Its always amazing how the legends and myths grow so large and wild.
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    Interesting: I just looked through all 4 Adams books I own and none of them have the word "previsualization" in the index, but multiple instances of "visualization".

    Also, in "Examples..." he writes about Half Dome being his first "visualization" and uses the word several more times: never "previsualization". Chapter 1 of "The Negative" is called "Visualization and Image Values"....

    Perhaps earlier editions use the term?

    So, I have to revise my original comment: "Great photographer, great teacher, competent English teacher!" (and great musician - forgot about that )...


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