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    Exposure With Barrel Lenses

    Apart from "winging-it" with a Packard shutter, how are the Jim Gallis of the world making decent images with barrel lenses? Given the burgeoning interest in ultra large format and its attendant expense, I am amazed that there is so little information on this subject.

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    While ULF isn't my cup-o-tea, I do occasionally use barrel lenses. My opinion is that, since small stops are usually the norm, neutral density and/or other filters are easy to use to get exposure into the one second or more range. No shutter necessary, just a lens cap. Exposures of one or more seconds are easy to accurately time, too.

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    In years past, lens caps worked with very slow film and reciprocity was not an issue as it is today. Also, the use of a lens cap will certainly introduce camera shake which is more pronounced in larger formats.

    So what is it that those of us who use lenses in conventional shutters are missing?

    Flauvius

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    i use a slr ( series d ) + speed graphic, with working focal plane shutters, so i really don't need to worry about a shutter with my lens ...
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    Jim posted something a while back about using some darkslides as a makshift shutter. It sounded like it should be easy and useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flauvius
    Also, the use of a lens cap will certainly introduce camera shake which is more pronounced in larger formats.

    So what is it that those of us who use lenses in conventional shutters are missing?

    Flauvius

    Technique.

    A lens cap shutter doesn't HAVE to induce motion.

    My Deardorff doesn't mind it a bit.

    And a Packard, at it's 1/15 - 1/20 of a second, is more repeatable than a new Copal. ( don't scream until you try it )

    Say a sheet of TMY, on a bright sunny day, wants... 1/250 @ f/16.

    1/250 @ f/16 = 1/60 @ f/32 = 1/15 (Packard Shutter) and 2 stops of filtration. Pretty easy.

    With an unshuttered lens, I like to aim for a 1 second exposure. With a long straight line like TMY, a stop extra exposure isn't noticeable, so I only need to hit between 1 and 3 seconds and that's easy.

    60/30/15/8/4/2/1 = 7 stops = easy with a couple ND filters.

    It's even easier in lower light. With older films, with serious reciprocity compensation, you can make it work FOR you.

    A 1 second exposure needs an additional 1 stop, or 2 seconds.
    A 5 second exposure wants a stop and a half extra, or 7 1/2 seconds.

    SO, if you want a one second exposure, reciprocity failure lets you land someplace between 2 and 5 seconds, and you are exceeding accurate.

    Again, the whole business of working with a cap, or sock, or hat, or whatever... is a matter of simple technique. Easy. Thank goodness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flauvius
    Apart from "winging-it" with a Packard shutter, how are the Jim Gallis of the world making decent images with barrel lenses? Given the burgeoning interest in ultra large format and its attendant expense, I am amazed that there is so little information on this subject.

    Flauvius
    Packard shutters aren't exactly "winging it". I'm using them with Artar, APO Nikkor, Ektanon, and of course with an acquired from Jim Galli Petzval. Now I do have a lot of lenses in modern, clockwork shutters, but I don't think I ever use a shutter speed faster than 1/30 sec very often. With a bit of practice, getting reasonably accurate slower speeds (1/4, 1/8) is quite easy.
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    Take a look at my gallery and my Polarfleece sock shutter:

    /www.apug.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1767&cat=500&ppuser=1578

    Small f stops and shutter speeds ranging from 2 seconds and longer with no camera shake.
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    I have found my Day shutter very handy - clamps on any lens up to about 3 1/2" diameter, gives good bulb-timed speeds to about 1/8 plus an instantaneous speed of about 1/30 and is flash-synced. They were advertised in Britain until at least the mid-1950s, don't see many these days.

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