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Old 09-30-2007, 09:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Default Reciprocity Formula - Tri-X 320

Hello:

I would appreciate someone posting the mathematical formula to determine reciprocity corrections for TRI-X 320.

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Old 09-30-2007, 11:29 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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page three on the data sheet shows the exposure compensation data.

http://www.kodak.com/global/en/profe...4017/f4017.pdf

it's the best info that i've found on Tri-x Reciprocity.
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Old 10-03-2007, 07:26 PM   #3 (permalink)
 
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These data sheets put those numbers out with an air of certainty, and they very well may be spot on, but. . .if your metering is not absolutely perfect, those numbers are less than meaningless.
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Old 10-03-2007, 11:22 PM   #4 (permalink)
 
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Try this:

Take the measured time and multiply it by 7.5 then

raise this product to the power 1.42 then

divide the result by 10.

This should be very close to the correct exposure time.

If tonal matching over a range of reciprocity influenced exposures is required then development compensation is called for.

I don't compensate development because I like the reciprocity induced contrast increase (John Sexton's "Quiet Light" theory) for dimly lit landscapes.
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Old 10-04-2007, 08:06 AM   #5 (permalink)
 
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Maris:

How did you arrive at the "numbers" you propose for use with your Tri-X 320 reciprocity formula?

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Old 10-04-2007, 09:22 AM   #6 (permalink)
 
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Default Tri-x 320 reciprocity funtion

Based on the data available from the Kodak data sheet, I plotted the best function for the following data.

Calculated Corrected
1 2
3 10
5 20
10 50
35 250
60 550
85 950
100 1200

I used a statistical analysis program called SPSS to fit the best function, which turned out to be a quadratic as follows:

Corrected = -6.302 + 5.004(Calculated) + 0.072(Calculated^2)

The r-square for the above function is 1.0, indicating a perfect fit over the range of data used. Technically, plugging in calculated exposures of greater than 100 seconds is very risky. Within the range 1 to 100 seconds, this function should work very well if Kodak supplied the right data!

Let me know how this works for you. Good luck!

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Old 10-04-2007, 11:19 AM   #7 (permalink)
 
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The data in the current Kodak tech info for TXP, and the formula derived from it by Dr. Louie are both essentially perfect matches for a data sheet and generic Kodak B&W film reciprocity information dated in the mid 1970's. While TXP is an older style film, I believe it's been updated, as have all other Kodak films since that time, most of them with changed reciprocity characteristics requiring less compensation. My personal take, based on a bit of my own shooting and on reading the results of testing by others, is that Kodak hasn't really tested reciprocity carefully and published updated information for all their emulsions, and that TXP is likely to fall into that group of films.

I'd test for any critical applications. If it's not critical, the Kodak suggestions are OK for a reasonable estimate, but you might find yourself a stop or more off the mark.

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Old 10-04-2007, 11:52 AM   #8 (permalink)
 
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Reciprocity is a funny bear, and personal taste in density and contrast isn't considered in the published charts. I use the published data as a way to judge the general failure rate of the film, then test. I don't think there is a single film I've shot to failure that has given me the results I sought at the published compensations. YMMV.
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As suggested by others (Lee and JBrunner), the formula is perfect if the data is perfect, which is unlikely! Best advice is to test the film yourself.
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Old 10-04-2007, 12:51 PM   #10 (permalink)
 
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Tested results for 1980s Tri-X 320, distributed to students at Brooks Institute of Photography:
1" 1.5"
2" 4.5"
4" 13"
8" 39"
16" 1'56"
32" 5'44"
60" 15'21"
2' 45'28"
4' 134'40"
10' 565'

These times have worked for me. Of course, the film has changed since then, so your results may vary.

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