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    Quote Originally Posted by DLawson View Post
    I wanted to comment that I found the "expose for the shadows and develop for the highlights" line to be a meaningless bumper sticker comment until I read The Negative. After that, the intended message was clear.

    Learning that wasn't a huge task, but the message was far from obvious to a beginner before learning it.
    Very much agreed. It is a concept that shouldn't be that difficult, but for some reason it befuddled me for far too long. Once I put it together with the idea of expanded/contracted development it made a lot more sense. Now that I understand the theory a little better, I am working to put it into practice. (not easy without a spot meter, but not impossible, either.)
    Tom, on Point Pelee, Canada

    Ansel Adams had the Zone System... I'm working on the points system. First I points it here, and then I points it there...

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    CHECK OUT MY APUG ARTICLE on 35mm ZS photography.
    Thank you.
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    "I´ve read about the Zone system and understanding there are many photografers that use this meteringsystem. I think it was Fred Picker who invented the system, am I right?"

    Absolutely NOT! Fred would have liked to take the credit but the Zone System was formalized by Fred Archer and Ansel Adams.

    If you want the simplest explanation find a copy of "Fred Archer on Portraiture".
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    If you are using 35mm, then might I recomment: The Zone System for 35MM Photographers: A Basic Guide to Exposure Control , by Carson Graves.

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    I suspect Archer who sems to have been the first to have written on it did little more than set on paper what many old time photographers had learned the hard way. Adams while taking the credit for inventing it did not present it in written form until a year or so after Archer published. Adams however unlike Archer set it out in a technical format for others to use and expanded it from Archer's 9 zones to 10. Archer's paper was academic. I had some years ago Archer's and Adams books but when I moved donated both in a collection to a library along with several thousand other books.

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    Meter? I don' need no steenkin' meter!
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    Anders,

    Before you start applying the Zone System, you should make sure your camera is working properly. Are the shutter speeds accurate? Are you using one lens or many lenses? Each lens will give you a different exposure. What film are you using? Different films react differently to filters, development and even long exposures. What developing chemicals are you using? Learn how that film reacts to that developer and learn how to manipulate the development with that particular developer/film combination. So the very first thing you need to do, is check your equipment. Many cameras have issues with the correct shutter speeds or even sticking shutters at slow speeds. I was told by one camera tech, that he has seen exposures up to 3 f/stops off on fast 1/250 or 1/500 sec shutter speeds. That surprised me, as usually one can tell when the slow speeds are off, but seldom can one tell when the faster speeds are off.
    Nothing will disappoint you more than having bad results because your equipment is not working properly.

    Good luck with your photography,

    Jose

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toffle View Post
    Very much agreed. It is a concept that shouldn't be that difficult, but for some reason it befuddled me for far too long. Once I put it together with the idea of expanded/contracted development it made a lot more sense. Now that I understand the theory a little better, I am working to put it into practice. (not easy without a spot meter, but not impossible, either.)
    And then somebody made the (duh, obvious now) statement that zones are not stops. And the light bulb finally came on. (still dim,,, but not dark ;-)

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