yeah, that's the guy.
Originally Posted by KenM
thanks for reminding me ...
If I remember correctly there was magazine running an offer for some of those prints then pulled the offer because of the controversy.
Originally Posted by KenM
Hi all... First post.
When "commercial" work is reffered to in regulations, what do they actually define commercial as? I know that after some recent trouble with candid portraiture here in Australia, some research was done that proved that Australian law defines commercial photography as the use of photographs or images for advertisments or any other official promotion of a product or service, meaning that even if I were to sell my images for a profit, this would not be defind as commercial work.
Otherwise, I suppose that you (Gary892) took the option that you though was best. Sad that people can't even use slightly unsual equipment (Hell, my Canon AL-1 attracts attention, so I can only imagine what effect a 'Blad or Rolleiflex must have) for public photography.
With my personality though, I would have argued the point with him.
But I can't help myself in those situations. I'm far too confrontational.
I've drug my 4X5 with tripod etc all over national parks with never a second glance from an offical. If anything they have gone out of their way to direct me to little known area's for some good shots.
Conclusion: they were power drunk part timers and or just didn't like you.....kind of like the dog that is friendly to everyone but you.
for what it is worth, I sat out on a street corner to get an evening shot of a new city hall around here that has absolutely stunning architecture. I had my tripod out with 4X5 and sat patiently for the sun to go down. I was passed by no less that 6 police cars and as far as I could tell they didn't even see me!
When I am in Eastern Washington on the back roads of the wheat country with my setup out and ready often times the state patrol will drive by and ask if I need help as do the locals. my advice is go some place friendly.
No escaping it!
I must step on fallen leaves
to take this path
So very sorry to be so late on Mr Goldfarbs request for my comment. Excuse: reformatted my hard drive back in March and kinda forgot to redo my bookmarks. Anyway, the Rangers who challenged you were wrong. If you are in the park, as a visitor, you can use a tripod to do your photography. You can even use some lighting or light modifiers. If it is not commercial. One of my collateral duties is monitoring permits for commercial still, video and film crews. They must have a permit as do workshops. When I am asked the same thing as the original poster was by Rangers in other parks, I show them a copy of the Directors Order. The last time I was asked, the Ranger got huffy, I showed her my DOI ID card and asked her to radio the District Ranger because I had a complaint and if they weren't available, the Chief Ranger. She did, and when the DR showed up, he chewed her out in her rig(I could hear it), then apologized to me for the hassle. Unless you KNOW you are in the right, I wouldn't try that one. Sorry for your hassle in DV and I will be more than happy to discuss this in a private message.
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Interestingly long thread.
I returned last month from a big driving vacation out in the Southwest, stopping at Big Bend NP, Ft. Davis(TX)SP, Guadalupe NP(TX), Carlsbad Caverns NP, Valley of Fires Nat. Rec. Area, Grand Canyon NP, Monument Valley NP(except it's "Navajo", not National), and Mesa Verde, NP. I lugged my Pentax 6x7 gear and a large Bogen Tripod around, and wasn't hassled once.
Perhaps Ranger Bob's message got into the NP system.
Perhaps we need to carry laminated copies of the up-to-date Director's Order attached to our vests, bags, or tripods.
It's been us vs. THEM, for as long as I've been alive.
Or to any other LITTLE SHIT, that comes along.
Originally Posted by Gary892
This person, has it exactly right. It doesn't do you any good, to prove THEM wrong,
that just makes THEM mad.
In other words, in your mind, just say " Heil Hitler ", & do what ever the " Little Hitler " tells you to do.
This isn't anything recent.
It's been us vs. THEM, for as long as I've been alive & I'm 54 now.