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    Part two of my reply . . .

    Read section 14.1 Permits Requirements.

    http://www.nps.gov/policy/DOrders/DOrder53.html

    Though, as mentened earlier, the policy is probably being renewed/reviewed. In either case, and until that happens, I believe this is the current standing policy for the NPS.

    I think the funniest part of this thread is seeing how folks interprete a policy they have never seen or read. Especially the different versions of "how I'd handle this situation". That just shows me how dedicated we really are to the preservation of our basic rights. Everyone is aware that we have basic rights, they just don't know what they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannL View Post
    Part two of my reply . . .

    Read section 14.1 Permits Requirements.

    http://www.nps.gov/policy/DOrders/DOrder53.html

    Though, as mentened earlier, the policy is probably being renewed/reviewed. In either case, and until that happens, I believe this is the current standing policy for the NPS.

    I think the funniest part of this thread is seeing how folks interprete a policy they have never seen or read. Especially the different versions of "how I'd handle this situation". That just shows me how dedicated we really are to the preservation of our basic rights. Everyone is aware that we have basic rights, they just don't know what they are.
    I know what my rights are. I just don't know what all my government has done in violation of them at any given moment.
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    It's funny how these things go. Just this weekend I hung a 16x20 on my living room wall. It was shot at a APUG meet in Asbury Park a year an a half ago. Shot from inside the Casino looking out onto the boardwalk. You can see tripods on the boardwalk and our own David Goldfarb in the background.

    The town officals were so happy to see us shooting there that the beach badge people were told to let us on the beach for free if we wanted.

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    Gary is there a local town that has newspaper coverage for the area? I'd like to write a little article for their publication.

    Second, were these rangers out of a specific office. I would like the number to call. The best way to handle stuff of this type is to barrage them with complaints. With the number of us around we should let them know our voice. I don't mind permits for large commercial usage but for enthusiasts it's bs.

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    I have read all the responses up to this point and I need to shed some light why I did not argue with the ranger.
    I was told not too long ago by a NPS Ranger in Joshua Tree Nation Park, that if you get a ticket on National Park Land that ticket stays with you forever. So if you ever get stopped by any police officer it shows up as a federal alert. I have no way of checking to see if that is true or not because I know no one I trust who can confirm that.

    Secondly, when I was 22 I am now 56, I was traveling through Texas, nothing against Texas it's just where this happened, I was pulled over for speeding. Yes I was speeding 10 miles over the speed limit. The officer escorted me back to a house that turned out to be the Judge's house and I was charged right then and there. The "Bail" if you will, was $22.50. At that time that was a lot of money to me. Fortunately I had enough money to pay and they let me leave. The judge even gave me a receipt.

    Since that day, I have a level if distrust of anyone who has the power to throw me in jail justified or not. So I never confront an officer or a park ranger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monophoto View Post
    A permit is not required for:

    * A visitor using a camera and/or a recording device for his/her own personal use and within normal visitation areas and hours; or
    * A commercial photographer not using a prop, model, or set, and staying within normal visitation areas and hours; or
    * Press coverage of breaking news. This never requires a permit, but is subject to the imposition of restrictions and conditions necessary to protect park resources and public health and safety, and to prevent impairment or derogation of park resources or values."

    I read this a while ago while preparing for my Grand Canyon Trip. I actually did print it out just so I can have it and not get any trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary892 View Post
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    I was told not too long ago by a NPS Ranger in Joshua Tree Nation Park, that if you get a ticket on National Park Land that ticket stays with you forever. So if you ever get stopped by any police officer it shows up as a federal alert. I have no way of checking to see if that is true or not because I know no one I trust who can confirm that...
    Gary, No doubt it goes on your permanent record. Kidding. I know from my ranger buddy when he worked in Yellowstone, if he gave a ticket he encouraged the offender to pay it on the spot because as the ticket was under federal jurisdiction, the federal court wouldn't take the time to be bothered with tickets and those given to foreigners especially. However, if you pay the officer for the ticket, then they had their money in hand and if I recall, that money stayed with the specific park rather than going off to Washington like other park fees.
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    What dark and pestilent times these are! Our government sees fit to threaten its people at seemingly every opportunity. Baaah!

    Tripod owners are obviously a menace to right thinking society and should probably be rounded up under cover of darkness and imprisioned on some foresaken remote island.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary892 View Post
    They asked if we were a photo group and the answer was no.
    Whenever they ask you that, say "Yes", no matter how ad hoc the group may actually be. The phrase "Photo Group" seems to posess magically good qualities, and we in the DC Users Group (a different gaggle of people every time we go out) have found it very effective in nullifying the negative effects of the word "tripod" at the National Arboretum (and they use rent-a-cops, who are more unreasonable than even NPS Police).

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    The park rangers have some latitude in determining a photographer's status as pro or not. They factor the type of equipment as part of that determination. Perhaps this is an opportunity for a large group of photographers, embracing many levels, to provide input and possibly help develop some rasonable guidelines for the NPS. Without some guidlines from the photo community the odds are we will see an increase of random encounters with park rangers.

    Bob

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