Security stole my TriX
Ok so I was trespassing. It would have gone well if I didn't decide to take a few more shots of the smoke stacks. This is the Caltex refinery near Fort Lytton and the Port of Brisbane. It is easy to drive in and drive around. I have sat around for hours without a sign of life before. Folks at the gate just look at me and go back to sleep.
I spent about 30 minutes over all taking long exposures of the towering city of lights and smoke with my Leica. I planned to shoot large format that night but decided it wasn't a good idea to wait around too long for the exposures on slower film.
Then a security truck appeared with a man shouting 'delete those photos'. It took a few minutes to fully explain that I cant delete photons off film without, I guess, taking it out and exposing it to light. Which I had to do. Oh dear. He says that my camera and other equipment will be confiscated if I am caught in the port of Brisbane. I better not get caught then..
These places look absolutely amazing at night. Be careful.
I wonder though. Brisbane isn't a very large city. Can anyone share any stories or photos from the larger ports or industrial areas of larger cities? I am fascinated with these places. How they can be so desolate and lonely at night, yet still filled with hoards of workers churning away the night shift.
so you intentionally broke the law and your upset that they made you expose your film to light.
Could be worse, they could have called the spanish inquisition. No one expects that.
lucky your not in the states or you might be in a jail cell.
I'm not at all upset. Annoyed at myself for a lack of awareness and swiftness when he was approaching though. To clarify, every time I have ever entered either the Caltex Refinery of the Port of Brisbane I have been on the road or in a car park. Never anywhere where there is an actual fence blocking me, only signs.
Last edited by Krzys; 02-10-2010 at 06:01 AM. Click to view previous post history.
First, security "agents" usually have no clue about photo law, and in most countries they will try to harass you. Worst is definitive US, UK and Israel.
So before i go to a country and take photos (even here in Switzerland) I print the law and how its applied and take that with me. If you can show a "legal" document (preferable with a nice logotype on) and explain your right to be there security guards usually back of. If I need the shoot and I know I have the law on my side I usually pick up my cell phone, dial 911 (in the US) and politely ask if we have to involve the police. BUT to do this you have to know if you have the law on your side.
For Australia you can read about what you can do and not here,
next time, dont trespass, but know your rights
Haha, he was wrong to take my film (technically) though he could easily up me and call the police. I was (and still am) confident that I would not get fined unless police became involved.
You drive by this place at night, you will want to photograph it. It is like a light bulb and you are a fly.
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I would be very surprized if there was a law which forced you to delete pics or film strips. Quite to the contrary, if you really broke a law by being there, I'd think you'd be required to keep the pics as evidence.
If I were in your situation, I'd take some additional cheap digital P&S camera with you. Make sure the P&S flashes vigoroulsly every time you take a pic. Also make sure, you use that P&S when guards approach you. If they give you a hard time about photographing, happily and visibly delete all the crap shots from your P&S and walk away before they find out you have a real camera with you. They can't claim you tried to be clandestine (with flash and all), they'll be proud that they just prevented a huge act of terrorism (dumb as they are), and you still get cool pics.
Normally I wouldn't give advice how to break rules, but this photography hate craziness which I keep reading about, drives me nuts.
He asked me to delete photos from my phone which I was using as a timer but didn't seem to care when I showed him the brick like device with monotone screen. Its all ok. He was just doing his job and I was just doing my hobby.
Does anyone have any related stories to share. Not about getting caught, but about similar locations.
And what wil they do about Google?
If I was a terrorist looking for a target I would be much more interested in images like the one in your post (Google Earth?) than what you can see in a night photograph taken from the ground.
From what I have read in different posts, guards can get very protective (I guess that is their job), but this often leads them to overreact and go beyond what they actually have the right to do as long as the one they are doing it to does not seem too dangerous. A loone photographer is an easy target but I don't think they even dream about driving up to Google shouting "erase that image" even though I think I can make a pretty good guess as to which image would be helpful to someone with malicious intent.
How can you make a blanket statement like that about the "States". I realize the news you furriners see is quite skewed towards nonsense, but that isn't always true. Yes, there are instances where the police possibly would 'detain' someone for photoing an installation, but more times than not would just ask what you are doing, and escort you out. Of course, this is based on personal experiene, and a display of good manners. Then too, I've always tried to ask permission first, and made it obvious what I was up to.
Originally Posted by Cainquixote
I think that magic word here is trespassing. In the "States" he could have been legally shoot by the security guard
Originally Posted by ralnphot