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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughn View Post
    Best case scenerio -- like Costa Rica
    Most probable -- like Puerto Rico
    Worse case -- like Iraq or Iran while their dictators were still our "friends"
    -- or perhaps like Haiti.
    I think Cuba was and is too culturally vibrant to become a Haiti. I think that they have managed to survive a very repressive government and poorly managed economy. How well they would survive Walmartization would be another matter. Cruisers are reporting that there is some pick-up in free market activity, larger farmers markets, more produce variety available at them etc. so that is good. If the regime falls or opens I hope they have the common sense not to wreck the good parts when they throw off the bad. I'd rather buy my veggies at a farmers market or eat at a "paladar" (sp?) any day.

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    Is the US style 'corporate welfare' not a sign of a system flawed?
    The reckless financial adventures of the US banking system clearly shows, winnings are privatized and losses socialized.

    Socialism has come to the US after all, much to the delight of Mr. Castro!

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    Regulate this, regulate that!
    The problem with the banks is the government coming to the rescue. Business failure is a normal (and healthy) part of the capitalist system.
    GM and Chrysler will keep producing cars with less quality as long as the government is backing them.
    Now, extrapolate the same control to a full control of all the business and the result is already known: is called communism, and it sucks!

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    Extrapolate zero control of business/industry and one has ecological and economic disaster. That sucks, too.
    At least with LF landscape, a bad day of photography can still be a good day of exercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughn View Post
    Extrapolate zero control of business/industry and one has ecological and economic disaster. That sucks, too.
    Exactly right, as has been shown by the US banks and BP oil disasters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughn View Post
    Extrapolate zero control of business/industry and one has ecological and economic disaster. That sucks, too.
    Ecological disasters are present even with total government control. Bahia de La Habana is one of best examples the most contaminated bodies of water in the country. Same for the rest of ex socialist block in Europe.

    This photo says a lot... (original source --> http://traditionalnotions.blogspot.c...ism-sucks.html )



    Sunrise over Havana. This is a
    Somesimpleresearch confirmed that air quality is, indeed, terrible. Although one might find that surprising in a place with virtually no cars and pretty much incapable of producing much more than the basic necessities of life for itself.

    But, it is a fairly common trend. Industrialized, free market nations do a significantly better job of protecting the environment than poor nations, particularly communist ones. The reasons run the gamut from using wood for cooking fires to the development of environmentally friendly technology. All it takes is one look at Eastern Europe, Russia or China to see how badly the communist states have treated the air.
    Last edited by onnect17; 02-28-2011 at 06:47 PM. Click to view previous post history.

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    "But, it is a fairly common trend. Industrialized, free market nations do a significantly better job of protecting the environment than poor nations, particularly communist ones. "

    Because of the regulations put in place by the governments...such as the EPA regulations, which are pretty lax in many ways due to pressure from the business community..
    At least with LF landscape, a bad day of photography can still be a good day of exercise.

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    I've been in Cuba, and it's a far cleaner environment than much of North America. I've also been to China, and the effects of unfettered capitalism (the reality of today's China) speak for themselves, environmentally.

    Anyway, I don't mean to rant against the USA but I do hate a bully. And Cuba has been bullied...it's a truly unique place, and as I said the warmth and unique spirit of the people transcend ANY politics. Probably why it's such a special place.
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    China is slowly coming to the realization that damaging the environment for short term gain will mean long term losses. This is something the US anti-EPA conservatives (and some moderates) fail to think through. Part of the US problem is the belief that tomorrow we will have the technology to fix what we screw up today -- forgetting that we may not be able to afford to fix it (if we do indeed have the capability to fix it). Lake Mead and Lake Powell will never completely re-fill, the water under Silicon Valley is hopelessly polluted by solvents used in the computer industry, large dead-zones at the mouth of major rivers due to ag and industrial wastes (even before BP's last spill in the Gulf).

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12595872

    The US would be far better off in the long run by not tapping our own oil resources (and other natural resources) -- but the desire for short term gains by the oil companies are doing the opposite. Economically, is it far better to use the resources of other countries than to use up all of one's own first.

    Colin -- you nailed it pretty fair and square. As a Yank, I think you are correct to call us bullies.

    I have no idea why this has not yet been moved to the lounge yet! !LOL!
    At least with LF landscape, a bad day of photography can still be a good day of exercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin Corneau View Post
    I've been in Cuba, and it's a far cleaner environment than much of North America...
    Colin,
    I don't know much about Canada, visited only a couple of times.
    Now, do not assume that Varadero is Cuba. I know Cuba quite well and there's a lot of pollution specially beyond the areas for tourists.

    Check http://www.med.navy.mil/sites/nmcp/C...ments/cuba.pdf
    Quite close to reality.
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