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    It is my opinion that the images posted in these “pages” should reflect the basis upon which the site was/is based namely traditional photography. We must employ digital methods to post images, but I think images manipulated by digital means should be restricted. I have no objection to manipulation by traditional means, chemical or otherwise.

    I think images posed here should represent the best reproduction of the photographers’ (I would like to use the term “artist’s” but…) intent as to their final product. I really prefer to see scanned prints as opposed to negatives as this entails the photographers’ printing skills as well as their creative camera work.

    I must agree that the final product is the important thing especially from a commercial standpoint. But I feel that this site is much more tuned to the individual than to commercialism, helping individuals to gain kill and knowledge toward the traditional methods. There are sufficient sites for otherwise. This one is unique. Lets keep it that way.
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    Nowadays I'm printing alt processes with digital negs--thinking about palladium over cyanotype from a holga neg (very mysterious feel) for my round 3 exchange print--and my negatives are c-41 color or c-41 black and white, but I would never think to submit a negative scan of a color image desaturated. Then again, as David said, since I'm working with alt processes I like the finished product on watercolor paper so much more than that on the screen

    For arguments sake, what if you had the image printed at the lab by Fuji Frontier desaturated and then scanned that print in? This is still a digital print, though....
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    I occasionally shoot color neg. When I do I tend to scan and inkjet print them. I never liked handing my negs off to a lab where a disinterested, overworked C printer would knock out an overpriced enlargment as quickly as possible while trying to keep ahead of the ever growing queue of incoming jobs. In color, my main interest is in composition, accurate color balance and perhaps some minimal burning and dodging. For the amount of color neg that I shoot, setting up a color darkroom is not practical, so the computer gives me the ability to make prints myself.

    Having said that, I also never post my color work in the APUG Gallery because while it is shot on film, it doesn't represent an anolog final product.

    I'm currently shooting a roll of color tranparencies. If there is anything on that roll that I feel is good enough to share in the galleries (not likely), I will scan it as accurately as possible and post it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flotsam
    Having said that, I also never post my color work in the APUG Gallery because while it is shot on film, it doesn't represent an anolog final product.
    I agree with this. I have only B&W stuff in my (little) gallery at the moment. If I post colour it will most certainly be slides or neg scans. Not digital prints (that is the only thing I can get at a reasonable price. An analog color print 13x18 is $22 for one! Handmade, but everything else is digiprints).

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    I say throw that chestnut on an open fire!

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    Chestnuts roasting on an open fire......that season will soon be upon us again.
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    By closing the door to manipulations, the next example wouldn't be allowed...

    What if one had a print that they thought might work with extensive burning and dodging? If they uploaded the original image, a mild burning version, a heavy burning version etc... In the interest of learning, wouldn't it make sense to explore the possibilities and get feedback on your image if you wanted people's opinions? If you scanned the original but made some quick changes in PS before doing the final prints... Kind of like a digital workprint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Symchyshyn
    By closing the door to manipulations, the next example wouldn't be allowed...

    What if one had a print that they thought might work with extensive burning and dodging? If they uploaded the original image, a mild burning version, a heavy burning version etc... In the interest of learning, wouldn't it make sense to explore the possibilities and get feedback on your image if you wanted people's opinions? If you scanned the original but made some quick changes in PS before doing the final prints... Kind of like a digital workprint.

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    Surely, a more productive method would be to get into the darkroom and try your ideas out; then post the results for comment.
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    Surely, a more productive method would be to get into the darkroom and try your ideas out; then post the results for comment.
    So if one has access to a film scanner, you think it's more productive to print the image and do a bunch a variations, then a bunch of scans and then post them all? Rather than just do one scan, save, manipulate, resave, manipulate, resave, and then post them all?

    I don't know about you, but once I have the digital file, I could do tons of variations on a theme in seconds (literally) versus minutes/hours in the darkroom working out the variations.

    As I'm not a frequent contributor the gallery system, I'm not worrying about my own infrequent posts. But should a critique image come up that uses digital manipulations that are readily available in the darkroom (ie: burning and dodging) I don't think I would be concerned by it.

    Just my 2 cents,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Symchyshyn
    By closing the door to manipulations, the next example wouldn't be allowed...

    What if one had a print that they thought might work with extensive burning and dodging? If they uploaded the original image, a mild burning version, a heavy burning version etc... In the interest of learning, wouldn't it make sense to explore the possibilities and get feedback on your image if you wanted people's opinions? If you scanned the original but made some quick changes in PS before doing the final prints... Kind of like a digital workprint.

    joe
    I think this is an excellent method of working on an image to check out interpretation, it saves time and materials and clearly is less expensive than using up photographic paper.
    "Digital circuits are made from analogue parts"
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