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    It's interesting that when I saw the name of the thread, "Lewis Carroll's Photographs", I immediately thought; he's was a ********* isn't he? I suppose that history has given me that message. I'm not making any accusations here but somehow I got that idea about his motives.
    Everytime I find a film or paper that I like, they discontinue it. - Paul Strand - Aperture monograph on Strand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aristophanes View Post
    Professor. Or Doctor, I would believe.


    Maybe Reverend, too.

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    Hi friend, someone know where I can find complete archive of Lewis Carroll photos? Thanks..

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    Yes, on the itnernet. ha ha ha. There are many sites with his works.

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    One of the great errors that people make today is to judge people of previous eras by today's mores.
    A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral.

    ~Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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    Sometimes it is a great error to judge people of TODAY's era by today's mores. Given the differences in cultures and artistic expression who is to really say what is right or wrong.

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    Well, I don't think there's any culture on earth that considers cold-blooded murder to be an acceptable medium for artistic expression. Nor rape. But what constitutes rape is so divergent as to render the term problematic at best, meaningless at worst. But it is a slippery slope to judge Carroll/Dodgson's photographs of Alice as pedophilic porn - they are very much of a piece with genre art of the time period where it was far more acceptable to show nude or semi-nude children in paintings and photographs. Children were considered innocent, therefore images of them had to represent innocence. Especially if there was a plinth and a column and a laurel wreath in the image or something to make an art-historical reference. And doing post-mortem forensic psychoanalysis of someone like Lewis Carroll is incomplete at best and fictional at worst because we can't ask him questions about his mindset. Certainly his writings leave some clue, but they're one-sided. Trying to draw conclusions about his sexuality from his fictional writing, especially when it is utterly fanciful and not overtly sexual, is getting into a lit-crit exercise. It is entirely possible for someone to write fiction not based in their personal experience, so it is entirely possible that even if Carroll had written an antecedent to Lolita, you couldn't call him a real-life Humbert Humbert. From the evidence we do have (Alice Liddell's mother was sufficiently uncomfortable with SOMETHING about Dodgson's behavior that she denied him access to the child), it is not hard to imagine that he would be classified a pedophile were he alive today.

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    Probably not... he would likely just be considered a "creepy single guy who likes hanging around with and photographing little girls".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worker 11811 View Post
    Yes, in the time of Poe, Carroll and many of the others, if the girl's parents consented, it was considered above-board.

    The real Alice's parents didn't consent. Nor did the real Annabel Lee's parents.

    Annabel Lee's parents went so far as to hide the girl's grave after she died of typhoid. (Or something... I forget, exactly.) Poe wrote the poem "Annabel Lee" to taunt the girl's parents after he found out the location of the grave in Charleston, SC.

    As mentioned, we also have Carroll's letters "begging" for permission to see Alice again.

    Back in the day, this was considered scandalous but not illegal unless a person violated the parent's wishes.

    Today, both Poe and Carroll would probably have to register as sex offenders.
    This is a long thread which I have not read right to the end so apologies if this has already been posted. Poes wife, Virgina, was 13 when she married Poe and he was 27. I assume that the marriage service was conducted by a Parson and the licence was issued by a Justice of the Peace (I'm not up on US Marriage Law). I don't recall reading of any parental oppostition to the match. Virginia died of TB at the tragically young age of 24 and is cited as one of the possible inspirations for the poem Annabel Lee. Such a marriage is, rightly, illegal today but obviously not in the Mid 1800s.

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