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    Maybe it’s just me, but don’t you think threads like this are more interesting than discussing extra drops of sulphuric acid in developer X or why you should wash prints for a given time in pH solution Y?

    “The contemplation of things as they are, without error or confusion, without substitution or imposture, is in itself a nobler thing than a whole harvest of invention”

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    Discussing photography is better than breaking out with derogatory, mischeivous and spurious, misplaced assumptions about a person's perceived ills — particularly of somebody who is not able to defend himself.
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    A comfort zone is a wonderful place. But nothing ever grows there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poisson Du Jour View Post
    Discussing photography is better than breaking out with derogatory, mischeivous and spurious, misplaced assumptions about a person's perceived ills — particularly of somebody who is not able to defend himself.
    I didn't think I was doing that and apologise if you think I was.

    “The contemplation of things as they are, without error or confusion, without substitution or imposture, is in itself a nobler thing than a whole harvest of invention”

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    Only fifty percent of photography is about cameras, film and chemicals. (Maybe even less.)

    At least half of photography is about the mind of the photographer, what he thinks and how he perceives the world he makes photographs of.

    Just criticism or not, studying and discussing a photographer's (or a writer's) personal life is just as important as studying his photographs or the methods he uses to make them.

    Provided we observe the caveat; the person being discussed is not present to defend himself; discussing his reported behavior is not out of line.

    We just need to keep the discussion on an academic level, not a personal level.
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    Here, here, Randy.

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    or is that "hear, hear"?

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    BTW, no historical figure and many current day are not available to "defend themselves" so 90% (if not more) of any discussion about anything except the weather involves talking about people not here to defend themselves. Sad, but true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worker 11811 View Post
    Only fifty percent of photography is about cameras, film and chemicals. (Maybe even less.)

    At least half of photography is about the mind of the photographer, what he thinks and how he perceives the world he makes photographs of.

    Just criticism or not, studying and discussing a photographer's (or a writer's) personal life is just as important as studying his photographs or the methods he uses to make them.

    Provided we observe the caveat; the person being discussed is not present to defend himself; discussing his reported behavior is not out of line.

    We just need to keep the discussion on an academic level, not a personal level.


    I should hope that you mean purported;because I would otherwise like to see the evidence of a reported behaviour!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesper View Post
    He is very clear about about his interests in his letters (booys are ugly, girls over 12 are not interesting but young girls are) but there is no recorded evidence that he ever turned thoughts into actions.

    There are more than three of his nudes preserved but I don't remember the exact number. He destroyed a lot of them himself as stated above.

    A creepy guy without a doubt and he was forbidden to see Alice Liddel for unknown reasons (probably just for being creepy and visiting a lot).
    His letters are interesting reading, and you can try some Sylvie and Bruno if you want to know what he wrote apart from the books about Alice (don't be surprised if you don't finish it, it's crap)
    Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass make a lot more sense and are more understandable if you read them in the latest version of Annotated Alice. There are many references to personal jokes with Alice and her sisters, politics, and text books that Alice used at schools. Without understanding the background, it is much harder to see the thought and humor in Dodgson's books.

    General comment, not aimed at Jesper:
    The parents were alway present when he took photographs. If you see that as being a pedifile then look in the mirror to see the root of the problem.
    Warning!! Handling a Hasselblad can be harmful to your financial well being!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirius Glass View Post
    The parents were alway present when he took photographs.
    That is believed to be so, Steve... but his letters contain some creepy content. No mirror is needed to read his own words in his letters. They are not fictional writings, unlike some of his more popular works.

    p.s. Have you (anyone, not just Steve) read any of his mathematical and logic writings. FASCINATING, and very non-contraversial.

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