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    In the absence of solid evidence, I suggest all here just skip the subject and get on with the craft of photography — so far this thread is totally devoid of it, so your point is??
    APUG is not about speculating on a long-dead writer's supposed tilt at smut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianShaw View Post
    OK, so you disagree with Kent. Understood.
    No, I disagree with the majority of what passes as psychiatric "diagnosis" even with living patients, let alone deceased ones, and I have the same contempt for unsupported speculative criminal implications. Justso there are no misunderstandings, I think there are few punishments too harsh for proven child molesters. But really, enough of that. I'd rather talk about his photography.

    What I've seen of it hasn't impressed me greatly, so I won't defend that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne View Post
    But really, enough of that. I'd rather talk about his photography.

    What I've seen of it hasn't impressed me greatly, so I won't defend that.
    Well, what can I say?

    Go ahead... start the talk about his photography. I'll chime in as appropriate. What exactly hasn't impressed you? Some of it is lousy, and some of it is very nice. I like his images in which the children assume a 'character". Xie in the Chinese outfits are generally well lit and very well outfitted. Very creative!

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    C'mon Gary... join in.

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    Wow... cat got your tongues?

    I'm interested in talking photography. If we can't talk philosophy and intent... how about lighting? I assume that his still lifes were shot at the Ashmolean. What a dank place that is. How does one suppose they were lit -- artificial light or natural. Most of his work seems to be natural light and the still lifes may be also. Any insights?

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    No one has mentioned Jacques Sturgis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianShaw View Post
    I'm interested in talking photography.
    Okay, here you go. One photograph of Alice Liddel, taken by Lewis Carroll:
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    Randy S.

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    http://www.flickr.com/photos/randystankey/

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    Quote Originally Posted by artonpaper View Post
    No one has mentioned Jacques Sturgis.
    I wish you lot would get a dictionary between you - Most of the time I can work out what you mean, (reported/purported) - But in this instance I take it that Jock Sturges is being referred to - Yes, I have his book "The Last Day of Summer" here on the desk to check the spelling of his name

    So, having mentioned him, what is the point?



    Here in Australia in my opinion we have the King of the Creeps defended and lauded by a bunch of purblind arts experts - I refer, of course, to Bill Henson - I was going to scan an image from his 46th Venice Biennale 1995 catalogue, but there is no way a scan from these dark catalogue images would survive the process of scanning and loading and still be readable

    I refer to BH as here is a photographer who works with very young models, covering them in stuff and mutilating the images to form a large montage - More recently his work at the Roslyn Oxley gallery 9 was held by the police for a while, although to me these portraits verged on the innocent - BH has actually canvassed for models through a school, but I will have to re-read David Marr's "The Henson Case" 2008 for the exact reference - David Marr was a journalist who I used to respect, but no longer

    Yes, nasty pix are alive and well in Australia - This is in my personal and owned opinion

    Now to cop the flak, but I am used to it

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    "Creepy Guys"

    That's why I read literature from a bookshop or library and not via APUG. I find better descriptive and analytical skills.

    John might like to have a crack at the Art Gallery of New South Wales for having a vast retrospective of Henson's work, some from the Venice Biennale, with nary a ripple of whinging from any quarter. The Oxley event was a major beat up
    from people that you wouldn't share air with. I believe one of yours is called Sattler?

    For anyone still reading: why do you think that Carroll was so sloppy with his surrounds; there's often grotty old bits of carpet on the floor and junk in the backgrounds of some of these "creepy" shots.

    I recommend the Princeton album, too. The reproductions are quite small, but so were LC's prints.

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    I introduced Henson as a current photographer who has had his work and himself criticized for dealing with young people

    I have just read bits of Marr's book "The Henson Case" and the school model scouting expedition is referred to on page 108 for those who want detal

    I do not consider Henson's work pornography (the term etymologically referring to the depiction of whores) as it is boring - As pornography these days generally means that which will excite the libido and as nothing boring can excite, Hensons pix are by definition not pornographic, but there are those who get off looking at pictures of big trucks

    The point that skimming Marr's book has reminded me of is the legion of really weird people who rant and scream about the depiction of naked children and youths, in the Henson case it was the journalist Miranda Devine, the former Australian cabinet minister KRudd, (the one who threw a hissy fit and left USA yesterday) and the utterly revolting Hetty Johnston, that woman is too much of a zealot to be safe

    How does this link to the first subject - Part of the "collateral damage" in tis case was a photograph by Melbourne photographer Polixeni Papapetrou, of a young girl child called Olympia posed against a painted backdrop and titled "Olympia as Lewis Carroll's Beatrice Hatch before White Cliffs"

    I could continue, but will wait to see if these observations develop the thread or are forgotten as a digression

    John, who should be working in the garden



 

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