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View Poll Results: PLAYAHZ AND HAYTAHZ

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  • Scanned prints only, no digtial manipulation other than sizing

    6 4.51%
  • Scanned prints only, potentially with some GLOBAL adjustments to contrast and levels

    26 19.55%
  • Scanned prints or negatives, no digital manipulation like spotting or local tweaking

    18 13.53%
  • Scanned prints or negatives, electronic tweaks okay but only if they'd be easy to duplicate in the wet darkroom

    46 34.59%
  • Scanned prints or negatives,, electronic tweaks okay but only if they could be duplicated by a skilled darkroom artist, e.g. Jerry Uelsmann

    7 5.26%
  • No big deal, images are images, but since it's APUG I expect that there must be SOME analog componenet to a pic, or I'm likely to put the poster on my ignore list

    12 9.02%
  • I like pitchurs and don't care how you got em

    18 13.53%
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    Playahz and Haytahz

    Okay kids, so which are you? Take a stand! Expand your ignore list!

    The point of this poll: not what do YOU do, but WHAT SHOULD OTHERS BE ALLOWED TO DO. It's fun for the whole fandamnily®!!

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    I don't understand your question.
    Is there anything donuts can't do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Vandalay
    I don't understand your question.
    Art you are too danged fast, you read the first comment on this poll BEFORE THE POLL APPEARED! If internet time distortion isn't sneaky digital voodoo, I don't know what is.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjorke
    Art you are too danged fast, you read the first comment on this poll BEFORE THE POLL APPEARED! If internet time distortion isn't sneaky digital voodoo, I don't know what is.....
    Oh shoot!! Sorry I thought something must have been missing.

    I would prefer it if there were no scanning at all because it is digital. I vote that we mail the prints to each other, preferably by Pony Express
    Is there anything donuts can't do.

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    Whooooops! Rushed it, meant to vote for "Scanned prints only, potentially with some GLOBAL adjustments to contrast and levels" i.e make the scan look like the analogue print you have made. There ...... said it!!

    Feels like coming clean about my political affiliations.

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    As both a newcomer and a non-subscriber, I'm not sure I have a voice in this issue, but for B&W work, I kinda like "Scanned prints only, potentially with some GLOBAL adjustments to contrast and levels" - with spotting allowed - the objective being that the scan should match the print as closely as possible (consistent with the APUG spirit).

    But, B&W negative scans with similar global adjustments and spotting don't bother me as long as they're identified as such, represent what (tentatively) would be done with the print, and are used primarily for discussion purposes (as opposed to representing final product).

    I'm even more wishy-washy regarding scans of color work, as the transparency may be intended as the final product. Thus, a scan, adjusted and spotted as necessary to match the original transparency, would seem to be a reasonable representation of that work, and consistent with the spirit of APUG.

    Bottom line, however, it still has to be an honor system guided by the spirit of the site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbarker
    for B&W work, I kinda like "Scanned prints only, potentially with some GLOBAL adjustments to contrast and levels" - with spotting allowed - the objective being that the scan should match the print as closely as possible (consistent with the APUG spirit).
    I agree with Ralph on this one. A print scan isn't necessarily going to produce a better representation of a print than a neg scan, at least for a silver print. Too much depends on the scanner one has access to. Also a neg scan and a print are both one generation away from the neg, while a print scan is two generations from the neg, so while a print scan has the potential to show the work of printmaking, it's another generation and will require its own manipulation.

    Obviously if it's a print with a less uniform texture or handcoating artifacts or strong toning, then it makes more sense to try to scan the print.

    The real thing, and the strength of APUG over most other photo sites, of course, is THE REAL THING (i.e., print exchanges, postcard exchange, traveling portfolio), and not what is in the online galleries.
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    I'd vote, but then I wouldn't be able to post ANY photos. I don't work in B&W and I only print after I've scanned my trannies.

    The only pics I post on APUG are the scans that I've had no work to do on to make them acceptable as "photographs" (i.e. no dodging or burning or contrast control). It really restricts the number of photos I can show here, but that's fine. I'm happy to go with APUG's philosophy just so I can pick the brains of you people, and hopefully contribute something along the way.

    (Found an option to suit me on closer inspection .... )
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    unless a posted image is intentionally deceptive, what harm can be done?

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    Well, I voted, but only because I felt it was my constitutional perogative to do so. While I do appreciate Bjorke's concern over the digital purity of APUG, I fear we are just turning a blind eye to the more serious problem of avatars. :o

    Yes, fellow APUGGERs, what is of great concern to me is not the digital content of posts in the galleries, but that our avatars do not truly represent what we look like. So many of our members look like cameras, or chemical bottles. It is a constant wonder to me how the incumbent US President was elected when his picture appeared on multiple daily posts on APUG. Maybe the good old USA would be in better shape if the incumbent spent more time running the country than posting on APUG

    I know that I look like my avatar. This is an issue that we need to address as a forum...
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