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    The difference is that those amateur sunset/lighthouse/barn photos here are never put forward as "art" with or without a capital A. However, when you title yourself "The Painter of Light" or some such pompous nonsense you had better be able to back it up. The only thing Kinkade was able to back up was the truck he used to haul off a lot of unwise people's cash. He sold his "paintings" as "art" to people unsophisticated enough to think that what they were buying was investment grade - they had heard the terms "limited edition", "original oil" and "collectible" before and when they were tacked on to what he was pumping out, they thought they were not just buying a pretty poster for the wall, but something they could pass on to their kids who would get not only aesthetic benefit but financial benefit as well. There was an implicit association between his work and other actual investment-grade art (Picasso, Van Gogh, Vermeer) - it had to be "art" to make it investment grade. So he himself created the false impression that what he was producing was "art". The reality was of course a different matter altogether. As you said before, he was making home decor at best.

    The massive hate-on for Kinkade has nothing to do with jealousy - it has to do with the combined effects of his incredibly disingenuous and/or corrupt business practices and the butchering of actual art that he executed. It's not because his work fails as "modern" art, therefore isn't "art". For me, painting starts losing steam somewhere around post-impressionism and by abstract expressionism I'm about disinterested, and most truly contemporary work leaves me antarctic-grade cold. If Soviet Realism had a torrid affair with Impressionism, and the love child that was born showed that in actual fact they were first cousins by combining the worst sins of both, that would be Kinkade: "It's fuzzy, has dramatic light that makes no sense, and spouts dogmatic, 'uplifting' propaganda at every turn!".

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    Quote Originally Posted by polyglot View Post
    I can't believe* we have here a 17-page thread on whether Kinkade was "Art" with a capital A. From the Saltz/Vulture piece:


    Can we not separate the concepts of "painting" and "art"? He sold interior decorations and he was highly successful at it; just because he sold paintings doesn't mean he meant for them to be capital-A Art. He didn't claim to be breaking new ground or anything, he painted (or had people paint) things to make his customers happy, and it worked extremely well for him. What amuses me is that this so offends the self-proclaimed "art world", that someone dare to use a medium they hold dear for something other than pushing an envelope or whatever, that there is a collective urge to hate on Kinkade and his output.

    And why the hate here? I see a hell of a lot of cliched barn / lighthouse / sunset photos even on APUG that fall way short of the standards that people seem to want to apply to Kinkade (seemingly only because he chose paint as his medium), yet we don't beat up on APUGgers in the gallery because why? Because they're not financially successful and therefore worthy of jealousy? We recognise the Art-vs-interior-decoration distinction in considering our own work and deciding what to put on the loungeroom wall, why get angsty when someone else does the same?


    * yeah OK, this is APUG. I believe it.
    Amen. Strikes me as a new low for APUG.

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    i agree cgw ...

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    Well if we didn't have "new lows" how would we be able to recognize the new highs?

    Besides, we've always discussed to death various works and their perpetrators here. Nothing new.

    If the thread offends someone, don't read it.
    I couldn't think of anything witty to say so I left this blank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old-N-Feeble View Post
    I was trying to make a point. Why disrespect a person after they're dead? He had unprecedented success. How else should we interpret such hatred and disrespect?
    Michael Jackson also had unprecedented success. And look at all those young boys he made happy!

    You throw a lot of words, such as "hatred" "happiness" "disrespect" and "jealousy" around in a manner that indicates that you don't really understand their meanings.

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    Maybe enough has been said on this topic? I'm tempted to close it, so let's keep it civil.

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    I don't think hos business planned sucked, as was said here. The exact same model has been used by others, but for very different products. I think the reason most people do not like his business is because he is selling bad paintings, but having a popular product and marketing the hell out of it is fine, as far as I am concerned. I still think he was a terrible artist. Would we be as critical of him if his product was an electronic device or piece of software instead of paintings?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFlyingCamera View Post
    that would be Kinkade: "It's fuzzy, has dramatic light that makes no sense, and spouts dogmatic, 'uplifting' propaganda at every turn!".
    What wrong with opiate for the masses? Here's another opiate that doesn't claim to be art but way cheaper.

    http://www.successories.com/?gclid=C...FakERQodYBLDkA

    There's something that an antidote for the fake inspirational decorations.

    http://despair.com/

    The cost of art and who buys expensive art is indicative of who has the disposable income. A great movie showing excessive money and art is the movie Basquiat. When the economy booms, the oily art purveys come out of the wood work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuzanneR View Post
    Maybe enough has been said on this topic? I'm tempted to close it, so let's keep it civil.
    It went silly way upstream. I'd close it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGW View Post
    It went silly way upstream. I'd close it.
    Or, stop reading it.

    It will die on it's own.....they all do.
    I couldn't think of anything witty to say so I left this blank.



 

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