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    Quote Originally Posted by sandermarijn View Post
    To me that sucks.
    Yes it does... but the issue is between Jon, his copycat, and the law. Ebay is not in that chain. Jon needs to sue his copycat for copyright infringement, etc., if he wants remedy.

    That is what I had to do... sue my copycat. The magazine we both advertized in held no responsibility for the other parties actions, not any allegience was owed to us despite us having advertized with them many years more than the copycat.

    You have to look a this issue legally, not just emotionally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGW View Post
    Does Hermes sell the leather and hardware for Birkin bags alongside the finished product? If it did, would it have any grounds for complaint against resellers of finished bags made from Hermes materials?
    I understand and agree with your point, Socrates... but maybe you need to "dumb it down" a bit.

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    Just another recommendation for Jon. I used one of his kits for one of my RB67Pro S cameras and it was great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blansky View Post
    Jon, don't know you, or your product BUT seriously not having time to make a website is like a photographer not having time to check his camera.

    There are many companies that can set you up with an inexpensive website, easy to use, easy to change whatever, that can have you up and running in a couple of days.

    Seriously, if you have a product, you have to have a website.

    Take the time.
    I really freaking hate it when I stumble on words of wisdom when I am looking for peace in a bit of wasted time. It is only made worse when that wisdom comes from Blansky.
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    So, I think the "greats" were true to their visions, once their visions no longer sucked. Ralph Barker 12/2004

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianShaw View Post
    Yes it does... but the issue is between Jon, his copycat, and the law. Ebay is not in that chain. Jon needs to sue his copycat for copyright infringement, etc., if he wants remedy.
    After PM with Jon I would like to amend this to read:

    Yes it does... but the issue is between Jon, his copycat, and the law. Ebay is not THE ONLY LEGAL MECHANISM in that chain. Jon needs to sue his copycat for copyright infringement, etc., if he wants remedy.

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    Bookmarking this thread. I really appreciate when merchants come on here and explain things directly....plus I need some lightseals for my Pentax ME....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Goodman View Post
    Thanks Blansky,
    I realize I need to go forward with it. Actually 2 sites have been set up, and hopefully soon at least one of them will be operational. It isn't so much that I don't want to activate it, but I have a few personal things requiring a large bit of my time and I'd rather not do a sloppy job of it. Thanks again for the suggestion.
    Best regards,
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    Perhaps you should raise your prices, too. You left enough margin on the table for another person to add a little labor to you product and sell it at a profit.

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    Jon's business is his business but as we are discussing it here I frankly state I don't see where would the problem be.

    If I sell oranges and orange juice, and somebody else buys my oranges to make his own orange juice to sell, that's fine for me.

    If Ikea sells "mount it yourself" furniture kits, and somebody buys them and mounts them for the final client, so be it. The fact that the Ikea instructions are handed over to the final client is not relevant. The Goodman mark might actually have been removed for fear of infringing on some trade norm.

    In any case the other agent performed an intermediate step for the client, as directed by Jon's instructions, and handed the resulting good to the final client, with Jon's instruction. Doctoring the author of the instruction is the only debatable part, but a case could be made that correctly the other person omitted Jon Goodman trade mark for fear of being accusing of stealing its name*.

    I see, on the contrary, as an unfair business practice to restrict sale to a client who is going to perform a productive step from semifinished good to finished good. We should ask how would we feel if Ikea didn't sell furniture to us only because we mount it instead of the final client. And as a final client I ask if it is legal that the sale of a semifinished product is negated to a competitor because the seller of the semifinished product also sells the finished product. Can the seller select his buyers? (in many jurisdictions he cannot. Don't know about the US. But if we talk ethics, well, in my ethic jurisdiction nobody can negate business to anybody who agrees to his terms).

    Jon was in two businesses of this "cottage model" industry: the business of selling a certain semifinished product, and the business of selling a certain finished product.

    If really his goal in business life were to squeeze out somebody who buys his semifinished product, his business answer would have been to raise the price of the unfinished product and lower the price of the finished product. He might have discovered that his unwanted client would have gone somewhere else and that he lost business for no reason.

    From a strictly business point of view I think Jon has no sound complaint here.

    Selling only the finished product, and selling through his own site, are decisions that he could have made regardless of any other consideration, and which might turn out to be very valid ones, but if I am prepared to sell a semifinished product to a client (giving up on the added value of the cutting work, which I don't perform), what's the problem for me if somebody else, instead of the final client, makes the cutting work for a fee?

    Fabrizio

    PS Sorry for late replies, I'm leaving tomorrow for a week.

    * The objection "he could have written his own instruction himself" doesn't hold in my opinion as the intermediate performer performs, so to speak on behalf of the final client, a productive step as intended and described by the kit producer, and correctly hands over the instruction of the kit producer to the final client for the performance of the final productive step as intended and prescribed by the kit producer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diapositivo View Post
    From a strictly business point of view I think Jon has no sound complaint here.
    I agree. Whilst is seems unfair, in reality it is what businesses do all the time and have done since people started trading things.



    Steve.
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    While I know nothing about business, I do know that I have some foam drying on my Ricoh 500G at the moment and that Jon's a great guy.

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