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    Quote Originally Posted by E. von Hoegh View Post
    Sounds more like an emotional issue than photography.
    maybe you're right, or maybe he just loved exposing film
    the file cabinet was full ...
    ziplock bags full of thousands of rolls of film

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    and his leica had so much film through it there was a film image on the pressure plate
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    This is like the "If a tree falls in a forest..." idea. And so, it's already been pondered and exhausted. If there are latent images hidden away in an artist's draw, is it art? Does it really exist? Do we care? Who are we? Please kill me? We've already reached that philosophical dead end with images that have been processed and printed. Why waste more brain cells?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnanian View Post
    maybe you're right, or maybe he just loved exposing film
    the file cabinet was full ...
    ziplock bags full of thousands of rolls of film

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl4f-...eature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zk1n...eature=related


    and his leica had so much film through it there was a film image on the pressure plate
    http://www.cameraquest.com/LeicaM4G.htm
    I think that Winogrand had an obsession, or even an addiction for taking photos - I would say it was on an emotional level for sure.

    I actually think that the idea does have merit - if someone offered you a roll of exposed by not developed film that was taken by a master, would you buy it? I have to admit, it would be tempting. THe hardest part would be making sure that its authentic (just like the bits of the Cross that have been sold all over the world!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by blansky View Post
    I have the most incredible and magnificent images in my head that I never bothered to take pictures of, never stopped the car, never put down my beer and snapped a picture.

    When I croak they should put my head on display and people can walk by and know that those images are in there, but just far too magnificent for the likes of them to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoffy View Post
    I think that Winogrand had an obsession, or even an addiction for taking photos - I would say it was on an emotional level for sure.

    I actually think that the idea does have merit - if someone offered you a roll of exposed by not developed film that was taken by a master, would you buy it? I have to admit, it would be tempting. THe hardest part would be making sure that its authentic (just like the bits of the Cross that have been sold all over the world!)
    If you assembled all the bits of the True Cross in all the churches in the world, Jesus would have had to be 14 feet tall with a 15 foot armspan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFlyingCamera View Post
    If you assembled all the bits of the True Cross in all the churches in the world, Jesus would have had to be 14 feet tall with a 15 foot armspan.
    What about all the bits of His Foreskin? Boggles the mind.....

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    Vivian Maier also, like Winogrand, left behind a vast amount of unprocessed (and nearly destroyed) film. It is now being developed and scanned after her death.

    This also brings to mind another interesting point. Usually photographers themselves decide what their best or most desirable work is, and print and exhibit it accordingly. If your film is processed after your death, then someone else's view of your best latent work is being showcased to the public. Imagine walking through an exhibition of your photographs, but never having seen most of them before! ... Especially years hence, when most of your memories of taking those particular shots have faded from your mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E. von Hoegh View Post
    What about all the bits of His Foreskin? Boggles the mind.....
    .......


    I started to say something about 'well hung' but decided it would be in terribly poor taste.
    I do use a digital device in my photographic pursuits when necessary.
    When someone rags on me for using film, I use a middle digit, upraised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Christian View Post
    Vivian Maier also, like Winogrand, left behind a vast amount of unprocessed (and nearly destroyed) film. It is now being developed and scanned after her death.

    This also brings to mind another interesting point. Usually photographers themselves decide what their best or most desirable work is, and print and exhibit it accordingly. If your film is processed after your death, then someone else's view of your best latent work is being showcased to the public. Imagine walking through an exhibition of your photographs, but never having seen most of them before! ... Especially years hence, when most of your memories of taking those particular shots have faded from your mind.
    That's a very good point. While I seriously doubt my work will ever get known as something important enough to salvage after my death, it is a little disturbing to think that somebody could exercise some sort of artistic skills on work I haven't done anything to other than expose the film. Provenance is another issue that is not clear; how can the work be clearly identified as made by a certain artist, without a signature or some other evidence that it was touched by them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Christian View Post
    Vivian Maier also, like Winogrand, left behind a vast amount of unprocessed (and nearly destroyed) film. It is now being developed and scanned after her death.

    This also brings to mind another interesting point. Usually photographers themselves decide what their best or most desirable work is, and print and exhibit it accordingly. If your film is processed after your death, then someone else's view of your best latent work is being showcased to the public. Imagine walking through an exhibition of your photographs, but never having seen most of them before! ... Especially years hence, when most of your memories of taking those particular shots have faded from your mind.
    A very good point and this is a different twist to its use. I suppose I was thinking in my OP as using undeveloped but exposed film as in the same way a musician may use silence within their music, or perhaps a film maker may run a sequence of black within the story of a film. I think to use this concept effectively in exhibition, it would perhaps need to be placed at the end of a series of displayed (printed images) on a very specific theme with the undeveloped roles/cassettes identified as a continuation of this theme. In that way it would leave the viewer of the displayed prints asking questions about the content of these in relation to any artistic development shown in the final image on display, as I believe someone mentioned an unfinished symphony.

    “The contemplation of things as they are, without error or confusion, without substitution or imposture, is in itself a nobler thing than a whole harvest of invention”

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