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    Would it be ethical to say that you studied under......

    Let's say that a photographer attended several workshops over the years given by the likes of John Sexton, Michael Smith & Paula Chamlee, Per Volquartz, Etc.

    Would it be "Proper" for him to say in his Bio that he "Studied Under" them?

    Example:

    Joe Photographer has studied under John Sexton, Michael Smith & Paula Chamlee, Per Volquartz and many other well known photographers.
    "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"...Wayne Gretzky

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    It would be ethical.

    Unless he was lying.

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    Ouch that questions a real b**h. I guess that as it's OK to say the you've studied under Mr local college guy even if it was only a short academic course, the same would apply to a series of or several workshops if they were hands-on.

    I'd add the proviso that if you could ask one of the mentioned photographers for a reference then you are known by them and have studied under them.

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    It is always ethical to cite who you studied under or what seminars you have attended, many don't have the means or the time to do actual full course studies at a photography school, but this does not diminish the education that you have attained by attending workshops and such by these individuals.

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    Why wouldn't it be ethical?

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    "studied under" and attended a weekend workshop imply different things to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nige
    "studied under" and attended a weekend workshop imply different things to me.
    Although you do take direction from an instructor (study under) when taking a workshop. Of course, some take "studied under" to mean a long-term relationship. I wouldn't say "studied under" just for a workshop myself, but I'm not sure if it would be ethical or not - that would depend upon what the agreed (traditional) mean of "studied under" means.
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    Personally, I don't think using the phrase "studied under" would be ethical if the exposure was limited to a few workshops. I think most people would interpret "studied under" as meaning a longer-term teacher/student relationship, perhaps approaching that of a multi-year apprenticeship.

    It would be far better, I think, to eliminate the "spin" and just mention the workshops attended - if that's even necessary. Name dropping quickly becomes transparent and often is counter-productive.
    [COLOR=SlateGray]"You can't depend on your eyes if your imagination is out of focus." -Mark Twain[/COLOR]

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    I'm with Ralph. Studied under is a relationship that goes beyond paying for a workshop. Sexton can say he studied under AA.
    Technological society has succeeded in multiplying the opportunities for pleasure, but it has great difficulty in generating joy. Pope Paul VI

    So, I think the "greats" were true to their visions, once their visions no longer sucked. Ralph Barker 12/2004

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    I agree with Nige.
    a weekend workshop or 2 -5 years
    I would thing the latter would be correct
    I am not sure that less than 2 years would be appropriate for any kind of proper teaching.

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