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    Quote Originally Posted by Katie View Post
    Great story AJMiller! I really enjoy stories where people end up being nice!!

    On the other topic: what's the point of a concealed gun anyway? Aren't the only people concealing guns the bad guys and the undercover cops? I don't think anyone should conceal anything... That's jut asking for trouble!!!
    Not around here. In Georgia all you need is a clean record, a set of prints, and $75 (more or less, varies slightly by county.) Friend rode his motorcycle over to our housewarming party and we were talking guns, so he just pulled out his 9mm Makarov (not the typical 9mm Parabellum) that he was carrying, dropped the magazine and racked the slide to unload it, and we compared it for carry purposes to my little J-frame S&W .38. Stand your ground really is not intended to apply to the Zimmerman case, whether or not juries and a DA applies it that way being another question. Even the author of the law said as much. It still requires, or should, that one not go looking for trouble, it just allows you to not run away when trouble finds you. And yes I DO feel safer, or at least a lot less in a bind knowing if trouble finds me I am unlikely to run and also knowing I am legally justified. Otherwise I feel caught between the proverbial rock and hard place with the perp on one side and an oppressive law on the other. How on earth is concealing something asking for trouble? The point is that you don't single yourself out as the first target, no one can tell how many armed people are around and might resist if they do something majorly criminal, your weapon can't be easily snatched and on and on. There are lots of reasons for it. But in Georgia you do not HAVE to conceal. Once you have the permit, and it's a weapon permit not a firearm one, you can legally strap on a sword or a battle axe if you want and walk down the street. You can carry in your own car without a permit. Obviously I don't agree that it's useless not in hand - it can be in hand very quickly.

    But I regret getting into that exchange, the original subject being much more interesting and on topic. I had someone a bit upset I photographed their house once, but I explained it wasn't commercial, I was a neighbor, just got this neat old camera (Yaschicamat 124 - didn't bother telling them you could buy its brother brand new until 1986 - most people assume my non-G dates from at least 20 years prior to it's late 60s birth) and liked the way the light fell on their house that evening, and they were fine with it.

    I had some curious people watch me with the 4x5 on the Roan balds on the portion of the Appalachian trail that cross Roan mountain near the TN-NC border stand and watch and clearly wonder what I was photographing. They couldn't figure out why I was behind this big rock that was blocking my view. They finally realized with an "ah-hah!" moment, "Oh, you're taking a picture OF the rock!"
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    When you're out photographing strangers, they'll be a lot less abusive if you have a large revolver belted to your waist.

    Hear that, you Brits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by E. von Hoegh View Post
    Hear that, you Brits?
    Heard and ignored!!

    We have no need for personal weapons.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Smith View Post
    Heard and ignored!!

    We have no need for personal weapons.


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    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Smith View Post
    Heard and ignored!!

    We have no need for personal weapons.


    Steve.
    Nor do I. I'd actually be in more danger - from accident - or dropping the damn thing on my foot - were I to carry a gun.

    But you have to admit it would keep the peanut gallery polite.

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    This is always fruitless. For the most part, people where it's legal and there's a culture of law abiding gun ownership and usage like things that way, and vice versa. The only exception that sticks out in my mind was a couple of folks in Australia who expressed their love for our firearm laws here (as in "I f##'in' LOVE Georgia!") over on the LFPF. But those, I feel quite sure, were either former or current rural Australians. I grew up rural and owned guns all my life. My dad bought a shotgun for me when I was born, and gradually introduced me to it and to rifles and eventually handguns at age appropriate times. I have a photo of me at about age 2 or 3 holding that shotgun with my dad doing most of the holding of it and me (carefully.) It lived at my grandmother's until her death, where she last used it age 93 to dispatch a marauding groundhog from her garden. By the time I was old enough to drive I was welcome to go get it any time I wanted to take it hunting. I still have that little .410. For most of my formative years I would have been shocked to learn that some people DON'T own guns. Really. My wife grew up in and has always lived in urban areas and had never held a firearm until we got together. Initial aversion is giving way and she's changing her mind; she's finally even expressed a desire to learn to shoot. But then her father is from south Alabama and though he never owned guns to my knowledge he's quite comfortable with hunting and people having them, and she has a strong country southern influence from his side of her family. It's a cultural thing we could argue for years about and never really understand how the other could have the views we do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    This is always fruitless. For the most part, people where it's legal and there's a culture of law abiding gun ownership and usage like things that way, and vice versa. The only exception that sticks out in my mind was a couple of folks in Australia who expressed their love for our firearm laws here (as in "I f##'in' LOVE Georgia!") over on the LFPF. But those, I feel quite sure, were either former or current rural Australians. I grew up rural and owned guns all my life. My dad bought a shotgun for me when I was born, and gradually introduced me to it and to rifles and eventually handguns at age appropriate times. I have a photo of me at about age 2 or 3 holding that shotgun with my dad doing most of the holding of it and me (carefully.) It lived at my grandmother's, who last used it age 93 to dispatch a marauding groundhog from her garden, until her death, but by the time I was old enough to drive I was welcome to go get it any time I wanted to take it hunting. I still have that little .410. For most of my formative years I would have been shocked to learn that some people DON'T own guns. Really. My wife grew up in and has always lived in urban areas and had never held a firearm until we got together. Initial aversion is giving way and she's changing her mind; she's finally even expressed a desire to learn to shoot. But then her father is from south Alabama and though he never owned guns to my knowledge he's quite comfortable with hunting and people having them, and she has a strong country southern influence from his side of her family. It's a cultural thing we could argue for years about and never really understand how the other could have the views we do.
    Same basic scenario here. I have a picture of me at about 3 holding - not shooting - a .22 revolver.

    I just wanted to needle the guys a bit. I do respect their point of view (believe it or not).

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    Now, let's discuss the death penalty.

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    My boys both got guns on their first birthdays. My ten year old is now an excellent shot and goes with his Dad regularly. This was him (on the left) and his buddy last weekend (ducks).

    We don't have handguns - at all. It's also pretty hard to conceal a rifle/shotgun ... so maybe that's where my point of view comes from. I don't recall every seeing my Dad in his truck without a long gun of some sort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbryld View Post
    Now, let's discuss the death penalty.

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