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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSun View Post
    You were calling other people's photos pornographic and you bad-mouthed other member as "bad photographer". I just wonder why no one reported you.
    No, he was not. He was illustrating a point by making two different statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSun View Post
    I thought he was stating that for real.....

    We move on.
    It was obvious, if you actually read the post (as opposed to a knee-jerk response) that he was not.

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    I have been following Emil's work since the 90's and have never seen anything even remotely objectionable, but then again I didn't think the photographs in question were erotic either. They were just beautiful photographs.

    I can understand why Emil pulled the photos, and they are the same reasons why I don't post certain photos at all. It is the conservative/religious wingnuts that really ruin it for everyone who don't have their mental problems. (That is not to say all conservative/religious people are wingnuts or have mental problems. Not the case.) It is ironic that in this country, the USA, those same conservative/religious people are obsessed with freedom and small government, all the while trying to dictate the behavior of everyone else. That fact though is of course lost on them.

    To whomever used the word pornographic to describe Emil's photo- if you think calling someone's photograph "pornographic" is an opinion and not an insult you are the one that needs to reign it in. Insults are not opinions.

    I am really tempted at this point to post some photos for Emil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blansky View Post
    Erotic or pornographic?

    You can't define the undefinable.

    Every definition is merely an opinion and as such has no merit to anyone else.

    It still is undefined legally. And is a moving target. Legally it is still defined by "community standards", and that varies by community. (see Mapplethorpe)

    Arguing it is like debating religion, and it pros and cons usually are stated from a religions perspective which is why the US still has such is such a prudish standards.

    The number one arguments goes something like "we're trying to protect the children" who supposedly would turn to a world of crime and debauchery if they viewed a naked body.

    An old and over used definition is, " if you use a feather it's erotic and if you use the whole chicken, it's pornographic".
    blansky,

    It was discussed above that the "community standards" test deals with the definition of "obscenity", not pornography.

    And the quote with the chicken is:

    “It’s erotic if you’re using a feather. It’s kinky if you’re using the whole damn chicken.”


    You need to spend more time out on the edge. The difference between pornography and erotica isn't that big a deal--at least you're not going to get arrested if you cross the line. The difference between porn and obscenity, that's a different matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diapositivo View Post
    Sadly, it isn't. It's in the Stato della Città del Vaticano, SCV, an independent quasi-sovereign state. They even have a seat in the ONU. When I am in Saint Peter's basilica, I am "abroad". Mussolini did this awful mess in 1929 to rub himself purring on the priests, who rubbed themselves purring on him in return. Religio instrumentum regni, as ever.
    Religio instrumentum regni is alive and well in the USA deeply ingrained in the many Christian creeds. It's mostly about profit and control than spirituality. It's been that way for so long here that most of us simply can't see it. We can't see the forest for the trees... or is it we can't see the tree for the forest? It's interesting and embarrassing how much we love our Constitution and how little we defend it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allen Friday View Post
    blansky,


    You need to spend more time out on the edge.
    I try to spend more time on the edge but most of my life is spent in a cage as a sex slave under the control of a group of Amazons.

    And I'm just too damn tired.
    I couldn't think of anything witty to say so I left this blank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blansky View Post
    I try to spend more time on the edge but most of my life is spent in a cage as a sex slave under the control of a group of Amazons.

    And I'm just too damn tired.
    Well played. Well played.

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    I want to see Emil's "other" work. Art and sensuality/sexuality is a fine mix... it has been since the beginning of human kind.

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    Just try to make things clear. Erotic, nudity, pornography, sexuality and sensuality are all different words and should not be mixed or confused altogether.

    If you see photos of African women totally naked, bathing or just posing, that is nudity. Nothing else.
    If you see photos of young models posing in studio, this is mostly nudity and erotic.
    When there is more exposure with the erotic acts, then that is sexuality or sexal acts.
    When the subjects are engaged in explicit sexual acts with full exposure, then that is pornography.

    Anyway, this is enough. I hope I'm not confused here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSun View Post
    Just try to make things clear. Erotic, nudity, pornography, sexuality and sensuality are all different words and should not be mixed or confused altogether.

    If you see photos of African women totally naked, bathing or just posing, that is nudity. Nothing else.
    If you see photos of young models posing in studio, this is mostly nudity and erotic.
    When there is more exposure with the erotic acts, then that is sexuality or sexal acts.
    When the subjects are engaged in explicit sexual acts with full exposure, then that is pornography.

    Anyway, this is enough. I hope I'm not confused here.
    It seems to me a uniquely American phenomenon to try and stick everything into a neat little box. Personally I don't buy it.

    Seriously , which bits cause nudity? What act is sexual? A kiss? Tongues or no tongues? How a bout fully clothed girls kissing somewhere other than a studio? It gets stupid fast.
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