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    I bet they still slow down to look at car accidents.

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    No one, including the photographer, tried to help the victim. I might believe the photographer if not for the hokey "signaling with my flash" story--along the the carefully composed death porn shot, currently selling a lot of copies of the NY Post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael R 1974 View Post
    Publishing the picture may be right or wrong, morally or whatever.
    I would argue that taking the picture and publishing the picture are two separate issues. Maybe documenting the accident was the right thing to do. Maybe not. But publishing the picture is wrong unless it is in the public interest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rick A View Post
    The photog had the time and opportunity to reach out and help pull the man to safety, instead he chose to watch the event unfold and allowed a human being to perish. Burn in hell ASSHOLE.
    If that's true, I'll bring the lighter fluid, you bring the matches.
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    Hey, how about asking people who've forgotten more about photojournalism than any of us will ever know...what THEY think of all this --

    http://gawker.com/5965659/would-you-...aphers-respond
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    NY Post: Anguished fotog: Critics are unfair to condemn me
    The victim was so far away from me, I was already too far away to reach him when I started running.

    The train hit the man before I could get to him, and nobody closer tried to pull him out.
    Anybody around here ever hear of a zoom lens?? It's not like this happened directly in front of Mr. Abbasi. He didn't back up to get a better shot and recompose. When it happened, Abbasi was at the other end of the platform, and began running towards the man on the tracks.

    When you're too far to help, that's just the way it is. Instead of berating Abbasi, berate the onlookers who were closer, and just stood by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian C. Miller View Post
    NY Post: Anguished fotog: Critics are unfair to condemn me


    Anybody around here ever hear of a zoom lens?? It's not like this happened directly in front of Mr. Abbasi. He didn't back up to get a better shot and recompose. When it happened, Abbasi was at the other end of the platform, and began running towards the man on the tracks.

    When you're too far to help, that's just the way it is. Instead of berating Abbasi, berate the onlookers who were closer, and just stood by.
    Thanks Brian for being level-headed on this. It doesn't look like he was using a wide angle or anything. Even if his flash story is bogus, it sounds like people at the end of the platform all tried signaling the train.

    New York Post publishing something insensitive? Nahhhhh, must have read that wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klainmeister View Post
    Thanks Brian for being level-headed on this. It doesn't look like he was using a wide angle or anything. Even if his flash story is bogus, it sounds like people at the end of the platform all tried signaling the train.

    New York Post publishing something insensitive? Nahhhhh, must have read that wrong.
    What did you expect from Rupert and newscorp? Responsible journalism?

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    Questions of the photographer's responsibilities became irrelevant once the paper published the picture with such a shockingly apathetic caption. They might as well have printed 'EPIC FAIL!'.

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    What scares me more than anything is this concept of Internet Justice. Very strong opinion started flying about this photographer as soon as the news hit. We didn't know anything back then. We still don't know much about the facts. A lot of what was said and is said is speculation. Yet, it didn't stop people from forming very definite and strong opinion. Now, this photographer is a public enemy of the week.

    Also, I ask myself.... what would I have done if something this unexpected and out of ordinary thing happened? It will probably take me few seconds to figure out what happened. It will probably take few more seconds to figure out the reasonable course of action - which probably doesn't stand the test of the Internet Justice - which could made ME the enemy of civilization of the week.

    Until of course, something else happens and everyone if focused on THAT.
    Develop, stop, fix.... wait.... where's my film?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Smith View Post
    The same is true of the iconic photo of the Vietnamese girl running. At the scene two other photographers stopped photographing to help her but no one remembers who thaey were.


    Steve.
    Nick Ut took the photo. He also put his camera down and helped the girl. He also took her to hospital and used his press credentials to force the staff to treat the girl. They were going to let her die as too badly injured.

    The girls name is Kim Phuc and she refers to "Uncle Nick" to this day and still talks to him regularly. They both live in North America now, Kim in Canada and Nick on the west coast US. In other words in this case the photography who took the iconic image is the one who did the most to save a life, he is the hero as well.

    Don McCullin is I beleive the photographer changing film on the right hand side of the image, although it may heve been Eddie Adams, I don't recall. He missed the shot entirely because he fumbled a film change on his Leica.

    That picture was one of a small handful of images defined much of the publics perception about the war in Vietnam. Some things need to be seen. Some things need to be photographed even if they are never published.

    I recall a Life photographer talking about some of the things he photographed in the concentration camps at the close of WWII. He said many things he photographed should never be published but needed to be archived to show the depths of the descent of man. I doubt that argument can be applied to the subway picture.

    Had I been there, with a train that close I'm fairly confident I would not have risked being pulled onto the lines trying the save the guy. I know there is space under the platform to hide and be safe if you stay tight, but the margins at the time the image was taken are way too fine for me.

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