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    I am not sure I buy the zoom lens scenario. The image does not seem to be compressed the way zooms do it. He may have been too far away, I was not there, I can't say. What I can say is that the paper published this photo to get people to buy the paper. Death sells, unfortunately.

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    Anybody around here ever hear of a zoom lens?? It's not like this happened directly in front of Mr. Abbasi. He didn't back up to get a better shot and recompose. When it happened, Abbasi was at the other end of the platform, and began running towards the man on the tracks.

    When you're too far to help, that's just the way it is. Instead of berating Abbasi, berate the onlookers who were closer, and just stood by.
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    Well the only people who do know what happened, were there, and also the ones who have seen the sequence of photos that were taken. Everyone else is speculating. The paper sells papers, if they had a good bloody shot of the aftermath, that would have been in or on the paper as well. Well maybe in europe, it might have been too gory for the "politically correct" in north america.
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    If there was nothing I could do, then yes I would take the photo. More importantly I would publish the photo. The conversation of safety is being brought up again in part because of the photo.

    The photo in this book springs to mind

    http://bhs.cc/journalism/pdf/Chapter10Ethics.pdf

    After it was published there were fewer incidents

    Also, before criticizing the man, keep in mind the bystander effect. In most situations people don't do anything because they believe someone else will.
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    There's no proof without video... The photograph is a flawed means of documentation. Discuss.

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    Well, OK, perhaps to a certain degree, but especially if the still camera does not have a motordrive in use at the time.

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    There's no proof without video... The photograph is a flawed means of documentation. Discuss.

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    There was a short interview with the photographer this morning on the national news. He indicated that he was not strong enough to pull the man back up onto the platform. Perhaps, but you would think most people would try.

    However, events like this may unfold very quickly, and for many people there is a lag time for the brain to process the information before any action can be taken. It is much easier to analyze an event afterwards that you did not witness first hand and say "I would have done such and such."

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    The man would still be alive if the architects and engineers who built the N.Y. Subway had done it right. In the Stockholm, Sweden subway, there is a one-meter space next to the track that extends under the platform, providing refuge for anyone who falls off the platform onto the tracks.

    Frankly, it's surprising the New York subway has not already been successfully sued for such an obvious and deadly design flaw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob-D659 View Post
    it might have been too gory for the "politically correct" in north america.

    I wouldn't term that as an issue of political correctness. That's just wrong, I think.
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    back in 1986 i was in the boston subway, the redline at park street.
    there is an island in the middle and a train on either side.
    i had a camera with me, doing a little street ( well underground ) stuff
    and a drunk fell down the stairs and pushed someone into the tracks
    he missed the 3rd rail but there was a train coming .. i dropped my camera and ran to help
    the guy ... a t policeman had already jumped in the tracks and pulled the person out ...

    i can't imagine how a photographer or anyone wouldn't jump to help someone in distress
    what a lame world we live in ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benoît99 View Post
    The man would still be alive if the architects and engineers who built the N.Y. Subway had done it right. In the Stockholm, Sweden subway, there is a one-meter space next to the track that extends under the platform, providing refuge for anyone who falls off the platform onto the tracks.

    Frankly, it's surprising the New York subway has not already been successfully sued for such an obvious and deadly design flaw.
    That people's lives are in the hands of dubious onlookers (or voyeurs) as soon as they're down there - whether injured or not - is ludicrous. It's amazing that there isn't some kind of foothold on the wall, which was the first thing I thought when looking at the photo, as the man clearly has some strength. It's certainly not the classic image of a helpless dame tied to the tracks.

    Just to add a strange thought. We're clearly so desensitised to such images, that when reality happens, we're stifled in our anticipation of an image - the information. I don't think it's merely shock or cowardice that nobody did anything, it's that we're vegetables, waiting to be stimulated. I think we become cameras in those situations, unconsciously holding still, waiting for something to click. Having a camera just makes you more conscious of the 'picture' unfolding, but never the reality. We're too detached to accept something like that as a tangible reality, in our culture. Perhaps it's the people who don't watch TV who save the day, because all the people who do are so used to waiting for the hero to arrive!
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