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    What I've heard of the incident on the radio is that
    A: Mr. Han was intoxicated
    B: he and the man who pushed him were involved in a loud altercation with profanities exchanged
    C: Mr. Han MAY have been partially responsible for initiating the altercation (this in no way justifies what happened, but merely goes to the state of mind of any witnesses)

    Given these circumstances, were I a witness, my instinct would be to A: get away from those arguing before the push occurred, and B: look for a stationmaster or transit cop to help or to try and signal the train. trying to lift someone drunk and belligerent up off the tracks is risking being pulled down yourself. And I don't blame people for being too far away to help. The whole thing transpired in a span of less than 20 seconds. As someone who rides public transit here in DC, my instinct be it on the platform, in a bus, or on the station platform is to move away from anyone exhibiting drunken and/or violent behavior, as quickly as possible, so hopefully there is no incident to begin with. I can better help someone by remaining safe myself and then calling and/or directing first responders than if I step in to a fight. I think that's true for most people.

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    Pop Quiz: A train is about to hit someone and you have your camera. What do you do?

    From that article it sounds like there is proof that the pusher wasn't really at fair and was being harassed by Han, also, the family statements make you think they weren't surprised nor angry at the pusher or cameraman so he probably wasn't a very good guy, she may have loved him but didn't seem very broken up about it.


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    They were arguing in the video and it's clear that Han isn't getting the message. It appears as if he was out for a confrontation, maybe alcohol fueled, but who knows.

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    Pop Quiz: A train is about to hit someone and you have your camera. What do you do?

    The photo is effective, because it enacts a fear that every New Yorker has entertained at some point, regardless of the incident that occasioned it.
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    We'll never know what he could have done. If I could reasonably save the life without it being a suicide act that's the priority. If you give him the benefit of the doubt, that he couldn't saved the guy then at least his pictures could hopefully help authorities to catch the killer. There was a good point made about the mentally ill. Whenever we've had mass shootings the kneejerk reaction is to call for gun control. It often turns out there were red flags about the individual that were ignored or pushed aside for political correctness reasons. Point is, if you can save a life that's first priority (in Judaism it's called Pikuach Nefesh - the principle that saving a life overrides everything) but if you can't do that, providing key evidence to the police to catch the murderer is at least something one can do.

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    Whether the guy was drunk, or just an ass you don't push him in front of a train.
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    If you watch without helping in a situation like that, you are a gutless coward. No excuses will help you, there are none. Put your tail between your legs, bow your head and never speak again…As for that wimp of a photographer, I would probably react the same way towards him as Pacino did towards spacey in Glengarry Glenn Ross…I did the same thing once when I was a young teen, I never forget how shameful It felt afterwards…ever since I ALWAYS help, even in violent situations that can cause me injury, I never want to feel that shame again.

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    The obvious question is whether you're close enough to grab them.

    I definitely wouldn't take the photo. I'd be too busy employing some robust Anglo-Saxon terms in an effort to get them to snap out of it and get off the track!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PentaxBronica View Post
    The obvious question is whether you're close enough to grab them.

    I definitely wouldn't take the photo. I'd be too busy employing some robust Anglo-Saxon terms in an effort to get them to snap out of it and get off the track!
    Or, if what I saw in the photo (posted on that website) was accurate, running down toward the edge of the platform, waving my arms and pointing at the guy trying to get the conductor to stop the train.

    How is flashing your camera at the conductor supposed to warn him of an impending accident?

    First, there is no way for the conductor to make the connection between a flashing camera and a human obstruction on the track.

    Second, and more importantly, the flash of the camera probably distracted the driver's attention. He might not have seen the man in front of him because he was too busy looking at some yahoo taking pictures.

    So, in theory, it might be said that the photographer's actions contributed to the man's death.
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    Strictly speculation on my part, but I saw "the" photo and something about it did not seem to support the photographer's claim he was too far away and twenty seconds was insufficient to help. The take angle was too steep suggesting he was pretty close and shooting downward. Had it been a shallower angle, it would still have had to been a bit of a tele zoom (unless the photo published was cropped and blown up). I assume the pic was digital, the data captured with each image might be telling.
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