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    Not that I'm defending anyone, but as I said and posted a picture (which a cleaned up version is now in my gallery) the man was drunk and belligerent and harassing the pusher, sure he shouldn't have pushed him INTO the tracks, but he may have just been frightened and pushed him away and the drunk stumbling fool lost his footing. Also if the man hadn't been drunk he probably would have known that he could simply have walked between the posts and gone to the other side of the track or stood between the posts and been perfectly safe. Reading between the lines of the interview of the girl (daughter/wife?) you can infer that he was probably not a nice man and she didn't seem too surprised that he was drunk, angry, and harassing someone else. I just think we are putting entirely too much blame on everyone else and no blame on the "victim" who was only a victim of his own stupidity and lack of self control.

    I do agree that if given time, I would have instructed the guy to walk to the other side of the track, but I would not have tried to help him out, especially seeing how drunk he was on the video recorded on the cell phone, I would be scared he would pull me in with him (which is what you are taught in life saving class NOT to do... which I have taken) you don't let the frantic person near you, you stay just out of reach and guide them to safety, or they will inevitably end up dragging you down with them and you both die.

    I know people are saying "I would have helped" but I think if you were actually in a situation like that, you would probably act differently, it's easy to say you're a hero, but much harder to take action when there's a train coming at you... especially true apparently if you're drunk..

    (no I'm not a bad guy, I just have been in situations where I would have been dead if I "acted a fool") ~"That's Just My Opinion, I Could be Wrong" - Dennis Miller

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    I think I'm going to be sick. DROP THE FRIGGIN' CAMERA AND BE HUMAN!!

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    I will not criticize this guy. In a situation like this there is either no decision or a "no" decision.

    What I mean is that the time I saved a man from a burning car, I was up and running to it before I realized what was even happening and "oh-shit-what-am-I-doing" popped into my head only while dragging him across the ground. But then 2 other times (one just a couple weeks ago), when I witnessed motorcyclists sliding and rolling across the pavement, I hung back and dialed 911.


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    Pop Quiz: A train is about to hit someone and you have your camera. What do you do?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbromaghin View Post
    I will not criticize this guy. In a situation like this there is either no decision or a "no" decision.

    What I mean is that the time I saved a man from a burning car, I was up and running to it before I realized what was even happening and "oh-shit-what-am-I-doing" popped into my head only while dragging him across the ground. But then 2 other times (one just a couple weeks ago), when I witnessed motorcyclists sliding and rolling across the pavement, I hung back and dialed 911.


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    What he/she said...


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    This phenomena is also recorded by quite famous photographers and I may be wrong about this, but I understand that after Weegee took this picture

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/37775831@N02/3945466703/

    the drunk walked into the road and was killed, which Weegee recorded as a series of pictures. Why did he not try to help the poor guy?

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    Apparently the photo inspired this woman to save two men from an oncoming train:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.1215851

    The statistic advertised in the subway is that 150-some people are struck by trains annually and 40-some are killed. So whether the photographer could have saved the guy who fell in the tracks or not, if the photo raises awareness about the hazards of the subway and inspires people to be aware of their surroundings and to help people in danger, then maybe it does more good than harm.
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    Pop Quiz: A train is about to hit someone and you have your camera. What do you do?

    Quote Originally Posted by David A. Goldfarb View Post
    Apparently the photo inspired this woman to save two men from an oncoming train:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.1215851

    The statistic advertised in the subway is that 150-some people are struck by trains annually and 40-some are killed. So whether the photographer could have saved the guy who fell in the tracks or not, if the photo raises awareness about the hazards of the subway and inspires people to be aware of their surroundings and to help people in danger, then maybe it does more good than harm.
    Well at least she tried to help, the guy who jumped into the tracks is also a hero even if it took some urging. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirius Glass View Post
    That is exactly the point that the arm chair or computer chair critics do not understand.
    You're right, Sirius. With my experience, this whole thread pisses me off. Until you've been there, you have no idea. I've been a hero. I've been a chump. I suggest people read "The Red Badge of Courage".
    “You seek escape from pain. We seek the achievement of happiness. You exist for the sake of avoiding punishment. We exist for the sake of earning rewards. Threats will not make us function; fear is not our incentive. It is not death that we wish to avoid, but life that we wish to live.” - John Galt

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbromaghin View Post
    I will not criticize this guy. In a situation like this there is either no decision or a "no" decision.

    What I mean is that the time I saved a man from a burning car, I was up and running to it before I realized what was even happening and "oh-shit-what-am-I-doing" popped into my head only while dragging him across the ground. But then 2 other times (one just a couple weeks ago), when I witnessed motorcyclists sliding and rolling across the pavement, I hung back and dialed 911.


    You never know how you will react until you do.
    He was cognizant enough to "decide" to photograph a certain death. He was thinking well enough and made his "decision". And he got the photo and the recognition for it. The very idea of even "thinking" between taken a photo or saving a person's life is indicative of our society today. The photographer claimed he didn't have time to get there anyway?? BS!! He could have at least TRIED without any real danger to his own safety. But, no, he "decided" to take a photo instead. Snap decision or not... it was WRONG!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cliveh View Post
    This phenomena is also recorded by quite famous photographers and I may be wrong about this, but I understand that after Weegee took this picture

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/37775831@N02/3945466703/

    the drunk walked into the road and was killed, which Weegee recorded as a series of pictures. Why did he not try to help the poor guy?
    The drunk wasn't in inevitable danger... about to immediately killed. There's a huge difference. Even if the man was later struck by a car, whether or not Weegee would have tried to help the man if he saw it coming is unknown. So it's not a comparable image.
    Last edited by Old-N-Feeble; 12-09-2012 at 11:51 AM. Click to view previous post history.



 

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