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    Pop Quiz: A train is about to hit someone and you have your camera. What do you do?

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    I think I'm going to be sick. DROP THE FRIGGIN' CAMERA AND BE HUMAN!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cliveh View Post
    This phenomena is also recorded by quite famous photographers and I may be wrong about this, but I understand that after Weegee took this picture the drunk walked into the road and was killed, which Weegee recorded as a series of pictures. Why did he not try to help the poor guy?
    I wouldn't expect Weegee to do anything but shoot pictures.

    Me? I take no pictures in life and death situations, I drop everything to help - even if there is little I can do. Last time someone got hurt, there were three capable adults present to help. I could have reached in my backpack for the camera and let the others help. Instead I pulled out the first aid kit and provided gauze.

    I do not fault the photographer in this case. I believe he could have interceded (like a moderator) before it escalated. He could have yelled "hey, come here" and it could have changed the whole story. But he didn't and that opportunity was lost. How could he have known what was to unfold?

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    *double post*
    Last edited by Old-N-Feeble; 12-09-2012 at 12:02 PM. Click to view previous post history.

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    ^^^ He had time to take a photo. He could have rushed over in an attempt to pull the man out of the way. He could have done this without any serious risk to his own life. He decided to take a photograph instead. Would he make the same decision next time? Who here would? If the man has any conscience at all he'll be deeply ashamed for the rest of his life.

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    I cannot/will not judge the photographer. Only he knows whether he could have. However the decision to publish was one that was made with ample time. For that I condemn the editor.

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    lotsa folks end up being pulled off death row in a certain country don`t they?
    I mean it is really easy and, I will add,a base human reaction to `think you know'
    It takes real intelligence to `know you know'
    If you where not there to witness, you have NO place making judgement.
    Oh, and BTW, saying you would `do' something is plain BS.
    Only an action can speak to that - words mean nothing.
    This smacks of old world tittle tattle,where fact is produced by innuendo and rumour.

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    I refuse to defend this photographer. He did "do something". He took a photo. A gallant and brave soul he is. What I "do know" is that my first reaction would NOT be take take a picture. I would much rather be a coward and flee in unthinking panic than remain and "make the decision" to take a photo instead of at least attempting to help.

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    I'm with the photographer with both hands and feet.

    First, I don't understand how people don't understand that lifting a man in that circumstance is a very risky exercise. You can be a "hero" if you do it, therefore you cannot be a "coward" if you don't do it. Nobody has the "must" to risk his life to help others. It's noble and generous if you do it. It's human and fine if you don't.

    The fingerpointing case would be founded only if helping the person in danger would entail no personal risk for the helper.

    That important point made, taking pictures is always fine in my book. If I had the readiness of spirit, and if I were there, I would take pictures of bank robberies, firearm exchange, and anything else. "Intervening" is something devoted to the police. People without cameras call the police. People with a camera take pictures which can be very important. I know with modern phones that's a bit blurry. Documenting any event can be precious one day.

    (Hypothesis: the person doesn't die because the train manages to stop in time. The person sues the NY underground and wins thanks, in part, also to the images taken by the photographer. Or the person dies and the shock created by the pictures makes people think about remedies so that it doesn't happen again. No pictures, no story).

    That particular photographer is a news photographer and he did exactly what he is supposed to do. Your tire fitter is supposed to fit tires, your dentist is supposed to cure teeth, and your news photographer is supposed to take pictures of anything newsworthy in front of him. Had he done it for the vile money, so be it. The tire fitter and the dentist do it for the vile money as well.

    It's too easy to point fingers. Don't judge, and you won't be judged.

    And in any case tube trains are normally bound to enter the station at a certain slow speed so that they can break in such circumstances. Nobody seems to blame the real culprit, NY underground, for the sloppy security measures.

    Ten seconds at each station could be "wasted" in a slow approach and it would be much more sensible. I think if I bet the train was approaching the station at an excessive speed I would likely win.
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    There would likely not be as much conversation about the man that died and subway safety if this man had not taken photos that he did.
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    Pop Quiz: A train is about to hit someone and you have your camera. What do you do?

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    I'm with the photographer with both hands and feet.

    First, I don't understand how people don't understand that lifting a man in that circumstance is a very risky exercise. You can be a "hero" if you do it, therefore you cannot be a "coward" if you don't do it. Nobody has the "must" to risk his life to help others. It's noble and generous if you do it. It's human and fine if you don't.

    The fingerpointing case would be founded only if helping the person in danger would entail no personal risk for the helper.

    That important point made, taking pictures is always fine in my book. If I had the readiness of spirit, and if I were there, I would take pictures of bank robberies, firearm exchange, and anything else. "Intervening" is something devoted to the police. People without cameras call the police. People with a camera take pictures which can be very important. I know with modern phones that's a bit blurry. Documenting any event can be precious one day.

    (Hypothesis: the person doesn't die because the train manages to stop in time. The person sues the NY underground and wins thanks, in part, also to the images taken by the photographer. Or the person dies and the shock created by the pictures makes people think about remedies so that it doesn't happen again. No pictures, no story).

    That particular photographer is a news photographer and he did exactly what he is supposed to do. Your tire fitter is supposed to fit tires, your dentist is supposed to cure teeth, and your news photographer is supposed to take pictures of anything newsworthy in front of him. Had he done it for the vile money, so be it. The tire fitter and the dentist do it for the vile money as well.

    It's too easy to point fingers. Don't judge, and you won't be judged.

    And in any case tube trains are normally bound to enter the station at a certain slow speed so that they can break in such circumstances. Nobody seems to blame the real culprit, NY underground, for the sloppy security measures.

    Ten seconds at each station could be "wasted" in a slow approach and it would be much more sensible. I think if I bet the train was approaching the station at an excessive speed I would likely win.
    I agree with all of the above, well said.

    Also, being that I ride NYC trains often, they do come in at excessively high speed a lot of the time, I actually usually close my eyes because the wind brings up dust from the tracks which sometimes gets in your eye.

    Also, anyone in NY usually looks at the tracks and has a plan if they fall in, it's just habit, ok where is the safe spot, just incase, it's almost subconscious.

    And as I keep saying, that track isn't even locked in, the guy could have easily walked to the other side or off the track with plenty of clearance room for the train.


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