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    Since I was bored I opened this thread and read up to 8 pages and gave up. Must be because I am a woman.

    I love gadgets, handling cameras , but standing around talking about them is not my cup of tea. I would rather be out shooting.

    I have been doing darkroom work for over 65 years and in the old days, that world was very male; but time does change and more and more of my students are woman. With my serious photography students it is about 50/50.

    You all need to go out and make images, use that equipment !
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    Quote Originally Posted by ann View Post
    Since I was bored I opened this thread and read up to 8 pages and gave up. Must be because I am a woman.

    I love gadgets, handling cameras , but standing around talking about them is not my cup of tea. I would rather be out shooting.

    I have been doing darkroom work for over 65 years and in the old days, that world was very male; but time does change and more and more of my students are woman. With my serious photography students it is about 50/50.

    You all need to go out and make images, use that equipment !
    Thank you.
    "Often moments come looking for us". - Robert Frank

    "Make good art!" - Neil Gaiman

    "...the heart and mind are the true lens of the camera". - Yousuf Karsh

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    Quote Originally Posted by ann View Post
    ...You all need to go out and make images, use that equipment !
    Some breakfast, then I am on my way! Some rain and some wind out there, so I may not get anything, but a walk in the redwoods will be good for me with or without an image to show for it!

    Vaughn
    At least with LF landscape, a bad day of photography can still be a good day of exercise.

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    well luckily "they have a way to shut that whole thing down"

    but

    I digress

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    Well now, I feel like I came late to the party. So many comments to make (apologies for the rambling nature..still on my first cup of coffee).....!

    First of all, I do teach analog photography at a communtiy college. And a class of 17 may have only 3 males.
    To the comment about women not wanted to learn the technical or "hard" stuff--bullsh!t!! My (female) students come in WANTING to learn fstops, shutter speeds, the darkroom processes, etc. They know it is what is going to make them better, but no one has expained it to them properly. And since I am such a kickass teacher the majority are able to grasp those fundamentals and run with it.

    I, too, am a female (in case you hadn't figured that one out) who loves gadgets and tools (grew up in a hardware store--tools were playtoys to me, and Dad taught me how to use them properly). But I don't have time to dither away learning about new tools unless they directly pertain to the work currently in the making (mom to 4 kids+teacher at 2 instututions=not enough hours in the day). I am a longtime regular at Apug but don't participate much because densitometer readings, minute differences in chemical formulas, etc do not interest me. And there seems to be a plethora of such threads. If that is your cup of tea, then have at it! What I really look for here are answers to a specific situation I may be encountering and the threads that deal with the MAKING (not taking) of images. Those threads are few and far between, but pure gold IMO.

    I don't do camera shows, but I do attend photo shows..... there are easily and equal number of women and men being shown and in attendance. And there is an equal and fascinating exchange of ideas. Perhaps you should hang out at these instead, "my dear"..... I am sure there are a vast number of women who would run circles around you and give you new perspectives to consider.
    "So I am turning over a new leaf but the page is stuck". Diane Arbus

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    When true equality has been achieved nobody will note gender, race, gender preference, or any of the other things that we use to divide ourselves into in groups and out groups any more than one would note any passive trait like eye or hair color. The fact that there are discussions like these, however appropriate or in appropriate, indicates to me that homosapiens still have a ways to go.
    That's just, like, my opinion, man...

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    In the 1910's there were 3500 professional female photographers in the USA; many owned the studios.
    In the 1920's 45% of Camera club participants were female.
    "There are a great many things I am in doubt about at the moment, and I should consider myself favoured if you would kindly enlighten me. Signed, Doubtful, off to Canada." (BJP 1914).

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    I can't believe this thread, honestly. Who gives a rats ass what gender someone is when they are out making art? I know people of both genders who love tech stuff, just as I know people of both genders who are not.

    Lets all get out there and make art and welcome everyone and anyone who is interested in shooting, film especially.

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    I thought David's original question was interesting enough but then the thread has produced some very dubious assertions based on partial observations that seem to be focused upon work or study environments. I think people are good at spotting things that confirm their beliefs and good at ignoring things that refute them.

    This is probably why the myth that men = empirical/technical, women = irrational/artistic persists.

    For the record, I'm a man who quit chemistry at school as early as possible because it was too hard (chickened out), I shoot only with natural light and I've just washed up and put our boy to bed. My wife's at work and earlier she did some work toward her maths degree.
    Steve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winger View Post

    I also offer one huge reason why many believe women have little interest in learning the technical aspects - from an early age in school, girls are usually pushed towards the house stuff and boys are pushed towards the scientific and outside stuff. Studies have shown that this leads towards both sexes believing that girls don't understand the technical parts as well (just read an article yesterday, in fact). In school, boys are usually the ones who speak up, not the girls. Girls are taught to be quiet and listen. Boys are taught that being raucous is fine. Women who are used to being around groups of men can usually dish it out as well as take it, and will stand up for themselves (as we're seeing here). Just because you think women are shying away from the technical stuff by not posting relentlessly about it, doesn't mean we don't like the technical part. More women do need to be pushed towards science in school - any of you with girls had better be thinking about this, too. It takes overcoming a social bias, though. And apparently a world-wide one.
    Amen. I have two grand daughters. I've been paying attention in the toy stores. "Science" themed toys have pictures of boys on them, or maybe a boy doing the activity and a girl watching. There are some "girl" versions of popular toys that encourage science and engineering skills - they are coloured pink and purple, feature flowers or kittens, and are dumbed down (ie fewer moving parts).
    Hard to believe these attitudes are still so pervasive and insidious.

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