For Men Only

[jnanian]

You all need to go out and make images, use that equipment !

made a rubbing the other day
and a print from it today !

[himself]

My opinion was, and remains, that since the age of chivalry was assassinated by women's liberation we should welcome women as equals and support their rights on a level playing field; but a playing field that ALSO removes the previous advantages that 'made up' for their inequality in the past

in bold is the part that might make people think you're sexist, underlined is probably why you are... in case you were still wondering

I also offer one huge reason why many believe women have little interest in learning the technical aspects - from an early age in school, girls are usually pushed towards the house stuff and boys are pushed towards the scientific and outside stuff. Studies have shown that this leads towards both sexes believing that girls don't understand the technical parts as well (just read an article yesterday, in fact). In school, boys are usually the ones who speak up, not the girls. Girls are taught to be quiet and listen. Boys are taught that being raucous is fine. Women who are used to being around groups of men can usually dish it out as well as take it, and will stand up for themselves (as we're seeing here). Just because you think women are shying away from the technical stuff by not posting relentlessly about it, doesn't mean we don't like the technical part. More women do need to be pushed towards science in school - any of you with girls had better be thinking about this, too. It takes overcoming a social bias, though. And apparently a world-wide one.

This is sadly only too true. The only thing I'd say is that this social bias discourages girls before they might even want to learn the technical stuff - helping perpetuate the idea thereafter, it's all depressingly circular.

For a thread containing claims that men are more technically minded and logical in their thinking, there seem to be a lot of logical fallacies flying around...

[Diapositivo]

In my experience, women like getting things done, men like thinking about getting things done - hence male dominated forums full of pontificating.

I agree with you. Somebody else would say that your statement is patronising toward men and shows a misandric attitude.

I would say that yours is an opinion and, as such, perfectly able to live in a forum (misandric or not). I see a lot of misandry in this forum and even in this thread, but I consider it a natural and legitimate way of expressing one's thought. I don't weight others' opinions on a moral or socially-acceptable scale. This is what pisses me off, the continuous fingerpointing of supposed-to-be unacceptable attitudes or opinions.

Furthermore, I agree with your quotation above word by word.
I did note, in my experience, that men tend to have a much more abstract and theoretical approach to things, while woman tend to do things more in a "hands-down" fashion.

Man, even when playing football, tend to be very interested in the different behaviour of different balls. Woman would tend not to give a pence, unless, that is, they are attending a course on football manufacturing.

I see a difference in men and woman mentality regarding a lot of things. I don't know up to which extent this difference is due to nature or nurture, but I see a difference. Raising a thread over this, as David did, is not patronising, or sexist, or misogynist, is just exchange of thoughts.

[Molli]

Reading some of the comments about how females are steered away from the technical side of things as youngsters makes me feel as though I must have had a rather odd upbringing. The massive advantage to growing up dirt poor is that you make your own fun.... and making a race track in a barren garden bed for one's matchbox cars, climbing trees and building cubbyhouses out of old fence palings and whatever was lying around was a far more enjoyable (and cheap) form of entertainment than trying to scrounge up money to get a complete tea set for a doll with a missing head! I can't say I ever felt pressured to be "girly". Everything was MacGuyvered when I was a child - from toys to necessities - which means all very hands on and dirty. I like to know both the how and the why of everything so photography is a good fit for me in that respect.

I joined this forum because I LOVE reading about how others overcome obstacles - whether it be setting up lighting scrounged up from common household objects to getting the best print from very old papers (all I have ready access to and all I can really afford.) I can't think of a single time when I've looked at WHO was posting the information and either raised or lowered my estimation of its validity based on the gender of the poster. Quite simply, I'm just grateful that there are so many people here who are so incredibly generous with their time, knowledge and personal experience. THAT is the draw card to APUG for me - the wealth of living knowledge. I've read every book I can get my hands on when I have a question, a concern or a mere curiosity.... but reading books doesn't allow someone to say, "But what if...?" and receive a response. To me this forum is the joy of an interactive library....walking, talking tomes of information who happily open their covers, share their stories and will cheerfully tack an appendix or two to the end of the story if something is still a little unclear.

It's a blessing.... so thank you to ALL of you for being so generous with your time. As has been noted by quite a few people in this thread, everyone's time is precious and prioritised accordingly so it truly is a gift when people choose to spend it here sharing with everyone else.

Thank you!

[BrianShaw]

Some of you guys are driving me away with your crazy bigotted sexist attitudes... and I'm a guy. No wonder the women are scarce on this forum!

[Jim Jones]

And now on to gun shows-I've never been to one myself but can't help wondering if they're full of men.

The majority of venders and buyers at the annual local gun show are men. However, a fair proportion of my female friends in farming country consider a gun as just one of many tools to be competently used when necessary rather than as a symbol for something that Freud might have elaborated on.

For concrete information on the gender of actively creative people, I maintain the mail list for both a visual artist's group and a writer's group. About 10% on the lists and who actively participate in events are men. In a list of 33 area writers who have actually published books, 15 were men. Some of these books involved military combat, which skews the statistics. I sell photographs at an annual arts & crafts fair, and most of my customers are women.

[tkamiya]

Since no one is exposed to the entire population, I would imagine opinions expressed in this thread are based on the group of people he or she associates with currently or in the past. All I can say is, group of women I work with and have known are mostly highly logical and very well educated. In fact, when I had to ask a mathematical (calculus level) question, the first person I called was a woman. Just recently, I had a lengthy conversation about "pointers to pointers" in C (if you know IT, you know it's a confusing subject) with my colleague who is a woman.

Some of the opinions expressed in this thread are very toxic - not because the opinions contained in it but the way it is expressed is rude and condescending. I hope they don't talk like this in person. I would also like to mention, being PC (politically correct) and being considerate (or just maintaining decorum) when speaking is not the same thing.

This is probably the saddest thread I've seen in APUG for quite a while. With that, I'm out of this thread. Thanks.

[BrianShaw]

In fact, when I had to ask a mathematical (calculus level) question, the first person I called was a woman. Just recently, I had a lengthy conversation about "pointers to pointers" in C (if you know IT, you know it's a confusing subject) with my colleague who is a woman.

... but probably because they know their stuff, not because of their gender.

[batwister]

[AndreasT]

Hey Dungeons and Dragons is great, they are no women for me.
As long as it the board game.