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View Poll Results: What is THE LIMIT of appropriate subject matter for APUG

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  • Only Ansel Adams type scenery

    5 7.25%
  • Above+ some portraits and kittens are ok

    3 4.35%
  • Above+ a FEW scenes of the real world like semi harsh news - occupy wall street / hoarders home

    3 4.35%
  • Above+ Implied Nude girls holding flowers & sunlight, light war destroyed structures, no people

    1 1.45%
  • Above+ Full Nude but no lower genitals showing and only smiles, sad images of hungry orphans

    8 11.59%
  • Above+ Full Nude w/ genitals exposed, Vietnam starving naked children in street, birth w/ crowning

    12 17.39%
  • Above+ Full Nude w/ macro shots of vaginas & penises, dead warriors in piles on a battlefield

    37 53.62%
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnanian View Post
    ...and we all know that answell's grande landscapes are the only ones worth remembering.
    Oh, an unbeliever, huh? Don't make me come over there...

    It's the sort of artistic-headlock a la Bresson one sees over on Rangefinderforum, an otherwise great site.

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    I'm afraid Stone, I agree with "she".

    The two photos themselves are relatively unremarkable, but the background to them, including some of your (and others') comments in the thread and the gallery do create an impression about your ideas and attitudes toward your models.

    That impression may or may not be inaccurate, but "she" isn't the only person who feels that way about what you have posted.

    It isn't a question of censorship, it is a question of someone disagreeing with something you have posted.

    You might or might not want to change what you want to post in the future - that is up to you, as I'm not going to ever say that you should be prohibited from doing so, but you should expect to be criticised if your words and/or your photos are likely to bring rise to strong feelings for any reason.

    And I wish "she" would consider chiming in, because referring to her that way is extremely awkward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattKing View Post
    I'm afraid Stone, I agree with "she".

    The two photos themselves are relatively unremarkable, but the background to them, including some of your (and others') comments in the thread and the gallery do create an impression about your ideas and attitudes toward your models.

    That impression may or may not be inaccurate, but "she" isn't the only person who feels that way about what you have posted.

    It isn't a question of censorship, it is a question of someone disagreeing with something you have posted.

    You might or might not want to change what you want to post in the future - that is up to you, as I'm not going to ever say that you should be prohibited from doing so, but you should expect to be criticised if your words and/or your photos are likely to bring rise to strong feelings for any reason.

    And I wish "she" would consider chiming in, because referring to her that way is extremely awkward.
    Well as much as it's fairly easy to figure out who "she" is, I didn't want to call her out unless she wanted to be called out.

    Someone once told me... I can't remember, I think it was Donald Trump, but I could be wrong about that, anyway someone once told me "never take advice from someone who isn't already more successful or talented than you" I'm paraphrasing but that was the gist of it.

    So I'm sorry that you don't find my work remarkable, but I don't see any images of models or lighting setups so I guess you haven't that kind of knowledge to know how difficult it is to create an image like those two, I'm not saying it's hard, but I don't see anything to suggest you have a clue. I don't find your work remarkable either (except the moss one, I like that one). However I do like you as a poster and I don't think you're so bad, so thanks for the critique, but I'd prefer if you tell me WHY you don't think they are remarkable so that I can improve upon them. Either way, I may not take your advice on the matter, this isn't to be mean or spiteful at your comment, simply the truth, I try to learn from those I feel have a background that would help me improve. Hmm reading this... maybe I am a bit of a jerk... ah well... maybe I'm learning something about myself.

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    Stone:

    "Unremarkable" was probably a poor choice of words.

    I meant to convey the fact that it wasn't the images themselves that brought rise to the "remarks" that concern you, but rather some of the ideas and words and conversation in the posts, especially when considered in light of the situation you posed at least one of the models in.

    And I do have some ideas of the difficulties involved in what you shot - I have studio lights that I use from time to time that are probably about the same age as you are - but the sort of work that appeals to you is probably different than most of the work I like to do.

    And I certainly would be wary if I were you about using Donald Trump as an arbiter about the nature of valuable advice .
    Matt

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    Ansel Adams, from the introduction to The Negative - The New Ansel Adams Photography Series / Book 2

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    I will have to say, this is one of the more interesting discussions I've seen here on APUG about an image and what we do when we photograph. It's far more meaningful than "Wow, good tonality! What film did you use?" or "What is art?" type discussions. This is far beyond theoretical discussions we see too often.
    Develop, stop, fix.... wait.... where's my film?

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    Stone;

    I had a 45, an M16 and orders to shoot in the 60s. That was in SEA. I also had a camera. Tell Mr. Dump (opps, Trump) to talk to me sometime. I used my camera. This entire thread IMHO is a piece of KRAP in the face of what I have seen on APUG. So, Forget it, close the thread and go back to have a nice nap.

    Oh, BTW, I still have an M16 and a 45! No orders though. So, I will not.

    PE

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    "never take advice from someone who isn't already more successful or talented than you" I'm paraphrasing but that was the gist of it.

    So I'm sorry that you don't find my work remarkable, but I don't see any images of models or lighting setups so I guess you haven't that kind of knowledge to know how difficult it is to create an image like those two, I'm not saying it's hard, but I don't see anything to suggest you have a clue. I don't find your work remarkable either.... I try to learn from those I feel have a background that would help me improve...
    I think this is the sort of response you make which give people pause... You're very defensive in your response, and imply that you're more successful and talented than those that disagree with you. In fact, you all but say that anyone without a "background" which benefits you is useless to you.
    My own interaction with you has been similar. You recently posted about your disappointment with your Grand Canyon trip infrared results. I wrote that it was unwise to use materials you hadn't worked with before, especially when you were on location (In fact, you didn't even have the proper filter with you). Your response was that you didn't care how the images came out. I left that discussion wondering why you had posted in the first place.

    I have no doubt that you'd like to become a competent film photographer. You haven't been here long, and if you'd like to maintain the good will of members, you need to be less confrontational, especially in the threads you initiate.

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    Oh, I forgot in my last post.

    The photo was not very good IMHO.

    PE

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattKing View Post
    Stone:

    "Unremarkable" was probably a poor choice of words.

    I meant to convey the fact that it wasn't the images themselves that brought rise to the "remarks" that concern you, but rather some of the ideas and words and conversation in the posts, especially when considered in light of the situation you posed at least one of the models in.

    And I do have some ideas of the difficulties involved in what you shot - I have studio lights that I use from time to time that are probably about the same age as you are - but the sort of work that appeals to you is probably different than most of the work I like to do.

    And I certainly would be wary if I were you about using Donald Trump as an arbiter about the nature of valuable advice .

    haha, I liked the trump comment, really good point, though, he does have billions.. so... lol

    still really like the moss

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkamiya View Post
    I will have to say, this is one of the more interesting discussions I've seen here on APUG about an image and what we do when we photograph. It's far more meaningful than "Wow, good tonality! What film did you use?" or "What is art?" type discussions. This is far beyond theoretical discussions we see too often.
    I aim to please



 

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