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    APUG Ethics of B&W conversion of color image

    Additional thought, this is an ALL ANALOG right? So all of you using electronic processors like JOBO systems and rotating drums etc, none of those images are allowed here, you can only post hand processed imagery


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    The uploaded image should be the best representation of the actual final print and nothing more. We still accept neg scans in the galleries. We accept that some adjustment of contrast, brightness and sharpness may be needed to match the physical print and, for negative scans, to approximate a straight print.

    This seems fairly straightforward. I don't see the confusion.

    PS, Stone- I like the blue one much better, too.

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    This is my darkroom water faucet. Do I need to leave APUG?





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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    Additional thought, this is an ALL ANALOG right? So all of you using electronic processors like JOBO systems and rotating drums etc, none of those images are allowed here, you can only post hand processed imagery


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    Stone:

    With the greatest respect, this post, if made seriously, would reveal a complete misunderstanding of the situation.

    APUG is s strong as it is because it has chosen a narrow focus. It has chosen to exclude discussion of certain recent prevalent tools used by many in the photography world, in order to emphasize, celebrate and promote certain others that have a great history and tremendous qualities.

    Nothing in the analogue photographic world discounts advanced technology - the modern films and papers and cameras we enjoy when we use film could only exist and be available to us because of advanced technology.

    Older technology is also (more) appreciated here, but it too is often very advanced, and very dependent on electronic and/or mathematical advances.

    You have indicated that you involved yourself in the final days of Kodachrome. I don't know whether you were able to glean how much technology was involved in the K14 process, but I can assure you that even when it was first created, it was very advanced.

    And modern film emulsions, like Portra for instance, are marvels of technology, involving advanced computer controls of process and manufacture.

    If I understand it correctly, much of Photo Engineer's work was involved with computer control of the manufacturing systems involved in making film.

    None of the above are in any way inconsistent with APUG's focus. If someone here used a supercomputer to automate a C41 processing line, and posted about it, it would fit exactly within APUG's focus.

    The gallery fits slightly awkwardly within APUG's focus, because it necessitates some sort of scanning. It doesn't matter though, because it is relatively unimportant to APUG's existence.

    I suggest that you participate in the APUG postcard exchange. It would be best if you found a darkroom course to try for it, but the rules of that exchange do permit you to send cards that have been lab printed, even if there is a scanner somewhere in the workflow (the image must originate on film).

    Participating in an exchange will give you a much better feel about what APUG and its rules are all about.
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    Ansel Adams, from the introduction to The Negative - The New Ansel Adams Photography Series / Book 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Nadvornick View Post
    This is my darkroom water faucet. Do I need to leave APUG?



    Ken

    I probably need to leave APUG too because my filter is a DIGITAL filter!
    Develop, stop, fix.... wait.... where's my film?

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    APUG Ethics of B&W conversion of color image

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Nadvornick View Post
    This is my darkroom water faucet. Do I need to leave APUG?





    Ken
    Yup sorry...


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    My enlarger timer is a digital one. Though it has dials.

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    Well said, Matt.

    Especially the part about participating in an exchange. The Blind Print Exchange is the highlight of my own APUG participation. As anyone who has received something from me can attest, I throw myself into that activity at a level wildly out of proportion to any inherent value in my rather pedestrian photos. But there's no better way, I think, to get a sense of what this community is all about than to send and receive real photographs that you've made yourself, or that have been made for you by someone else.

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    I'm not going to read the entire thread because i don't have time and you don't read/like the rules. Maybe someone mentioned this or maybe they didn't: slides can be printed optically without internegs or special equipment by using Ilford's direct positive paper. I'm not sure why this is always overlooked.
    And there are plenty of labs which print traditionally, even in nyc.
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    APUG Ethics of B&W conversion of color image

    Quote Originally Posted by winger View Post
    My enlarger timer is a digital one. Though it has dials.
    Nope, not ok, in fact if we really want to be picky, JOBO and Paterson hand tanks and plastic spools aren't ok, only metal spools, and you can't use plastic backing paper either... Heck throw out T-grain film, that's not traditional either...


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