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    I was impressed with your lab knowledge at 23 , the post seemed to age you.

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    Im 30, I got my first paid photographic job when I was 16 I've only ever done photography since. I didn't launch my own lab until I was 23.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen Frizza View Post
    I didn't launch my own lab until I was 23.
    Why did you wait so long, slacker?
    “You seek escape from pain. We seek the achievement of happiness. You exist for the sake of avoiding punishment. We exist for the sake of earning rewards. Threats will not make us function; fear is not our incentive. It is not death that we wish to avoid, but life that we wish to live.” - John Galt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Carnie View Post
    I was impressed with your lab knowledge at 23 , the post seemed to age you.
    That's very kind of you to say, I still feel like I know nothing. I have been very lucky to have amazingly talented mentors nurture me.
    "Its my profession to hijack time" ~ Stephen Frizza.

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    Don't worry at 60 I still feel I know nothing, thats the good thing about this profession, like the energizer bunny the learning still keeps coming.
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    That's very kind of you to say, I still feel like I know nothing. I have been very lucky to have amazingly talented mentors nurture me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Carnie View Post
    Don't worry at 60 I still feel I know nothing, thats the good thing about this profession, like the energizer bunny the learning still keeps coming.
    That's very reassuring. I feel that the day we think we have nothing more to learn, is probably the day we should quit.

    Does anybody else feel that every printing session has some learning value to offer?
    "Often moments come looking for us". - Robert Frank

    "Make good art!" - Neil Gaiman

    "...the heart and mind are the true lens of the camera". - Yousuf Karsh

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    Same Energizer bunny poking me for 32 years since 10. I have still no money but extra belly , it keeps me tired. I reached to a hunger point , without extra 10 years at university , I cant make one step more.

    Stephen is amazing friend and suprised he was so young.

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    Thomas

    If you are honest with yourself and truly love photography, that day will never come to you. I am always amazed that after 37 years of continuous work that I feel at lost with some of others capabilities that I meet online or in person.

    Chemistry, Optics, Computers, Aesthetics, Materials,Marketing, are fields that I have had to learn from others, I have no talent, just the ability to gather information and work hard.
    I feel I have another good 20 years of working ahead of me if I can keep healthy and now am most interested in hybrid work using the technology I have gathered and the archival attributes of wet process.
    After that I will raise turkeys and bitch about all the younger people .

    Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Carnie View Post
    I have no talent, just the ability to gather information
    I think that is a talent.

    One of my lecturers at college stated "true knowledge is not knowing the answers, it's knowing where to look for them".

    He also said that anyone found copying someone elses work would be given extra marks for initiative!


    Steve.
    "People who say things won't work are a dime a dozen. People who figure out how to make things work are worth a fortune" - Dave Rat.

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    When I decided that I had to learn digital workflow or basically stop competing in a very competitive town I was in a position of basically **going back to school**
    PS was a big hurdle to jump and yes master, The younger workers here grew up with computers, us old farts did not with some exceptions.

    Saving grace was the designers of PS made a very wise decision to gather information from various genres of photography printmakers, designers, photographers, photocomp specialists and implemented the names and some of the functions of old school printmaking . IE the key beside the two brackets if used after applying a mask will pop up the red ruby which for folks like me is something that we used daily to blend images and for me in my personal search was helpful.

    I remember Chris Jordan on Large Format mention LAB and its incredible abilitys for nuetralizing grey areas , this was over 7 years ago and it hit a nerve in my thinking and I followed his discussions which lead to Dan Margulis and his methodology... LAB for me was so intuitive it was like working on a enlarger with the two filters correcting colour and my learning curve skyrocketed by this simple research.

    In 1980s I was a photocomp specialist working for a major Toronto Lab, we worked with our hands using multiple hit techniques to combine images, make contrast reducing/contrast increase/ Highlight protection masks/ colour correction masks/ emulsion stripping ect.
    Once PS was introduced and digital printing all that skill set was redundant, yes you could manually do what the computer does, but in our working profession time is money and you know where we went. This did force me to reinvent the wheel and now my lab is completely digital with a wet darkroom attached. Sometimes it feels like the wet darkroom is a boil to be lanced as it is sitting there not being used, but financially every square foot has to be accounted for.

    Fast forward to 2013 and surprise surprise/ the darkroom is still here, it no longer feels like a boil to be lanced but a lovely mole that accents not repels.
    Why??? because we have found how to combine with advanced digital equipment, the logic and skill sets of the 80's that we learned with photocomp and mask making and now can combine current trends with old process.

    This learning curve is what keeps me going, this is one of the reasons I am here, Yes on APUG I learn things that can help me digitally, and of course helps me with the combination of wet work and phase back pixels.
    We are very lucky to have the internet, it has a lot of useless information, and useless opinions.. ( some may think this post is one)
    But buried beneath all the babble are gems of info coming from so many directions that the new learning curve is sorting the bullshit from the real info.





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    QUOTE=Steve Smith;1531347]I think that is a talent.

    One of my lecturers at college stated "true knowledge is not knowing the answers, it's knowing where to look for them".

    He also said that anyone found copying someone elses work would be given extra marks for initiative!


    Steve.[/QUOTE]

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